# "*": "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/wefindx/schema/master/method/oo-item.yaml" # "base:title": "0oo - Hijack the ISS to Mars" "og:title": "Hijack the ISS to Mars" "og:description": "We really ought to have gone to Mars by now - we've lived here for several billion years, and so far we haven't even visited the neighbours - how rude. One of the problems with going to Mars, of course, is that it's quite a long way to go - more than a hundred times as far as the Moon. Building a ship that's capable of hosting a crew safely for many, many months is tricky. At the same time, though, we have the ISS just floating around in Earth orbit. We know that people can survive on the ISS, …" "og:image": "https://wiki.mindey.com/shared/images/uhggjalkjdshfhtzdfquih92.jpg" "og:url": "/method/995/" "base:css": "/static/css/bootstrap.min.9c25540d6272.css" "base:extra-css": "/static/css/base.57997aeac1df.css" "base:favicon": "/static/favicon.acaa334f0136.ico" "base:body_class": "" "layout:logo": "/static/0oo.8d2a8bbef612.svg" "layout:index": "/" "layout:menu": "/menu/" "layout:categories": "/intents/" "layout:ideas": "/methods/" "layout:projects": "/projects/" "layout:users": "/users/" "layout:about": "/about/" "layout:help": "/help/" "layout:bug_report": "https://github.com/wefindx/0oo" "layout:login": "/accounts/login/" "layout:light-off": "/darken/?darken=true" "layout:set-multilingual": "/mulang/?mulang=true" "layout:lang": "Language" "layout:set-language-post-action": "/i18n/setlang/" "layout:csrf-token": "y0Y6VuZlyJfmrG7NHc7vo7t4HdEGL8BCAGfEXYAD1DKb2fo3UWvo9iCxIFoBHcPJ" "layout:input-next": "/method/995/" "layout:languages": [{"code": "ja", "is-active": "false", "name": "日本語"}, {"code": "lt", "is-active": "false", "name": "Lietuviškai"}, {"code": "zh-hans", "is-active": "false", "name": "简体中文"}, {"code": "en", "is-active": "true", "name": "English"}, {"code": "ru", "is-active": "false", "name": "Русский"}, {"code": "oo", "is-active": "false", "name": "O;o,"}] # "item:parent:intents": [{"url": "/intent/1319/", "title": "Science: Spacecraft"}] "item:title": ".:en:Hijack the ISS to Mars.:lt:Nusiųskime Tarptautinę kosminę stotį (TKS) į Marsą" "item:summary": ".:en:Equip ISS with low-G thrusters, do orbital fueling to reach Mars much sooner..:lt:Įrengus mažo-G raketinius variklius Tarptautinei Kosminei Stočiai (TKS), ir nusiuntus kuro, SAUGIAI pasiektume Marsą daug greičiau." "item:voting": +2 "item:voting:add": "/admin/hlog/voting/add/?method=995" "item:voting:csrf_token": "y0Y6VuZlyJfmrG7NHc7vo7t4HdEGL8BCAGfEXYAD1DKb2fo3UWvo9iCxIFoBHcPJ" "item:voting:submit-value-option": {"selected": "[-]", "value": "-"} "item:voting:submit-value-option": {"selected": "[+]", "value": "+"} "item:base-administration": false "item:body": | .:en We really ought to have gone to Mars by now - we've lived here for several billion years, and so far we haven't even visited the neighbours - how rude. One of the problems with going to Mars, of course, is that it's quite a long way to go - more than a hundred times as far as the Moon. Building a ship that's capable of hosting a crew safely for many, many months is tricky. At the same time, though, we have the ISS just floating around in Earth orbit. We know that people can survive on the ISS, fairly comfortably, for very long periods of time. The record for space endurance was set on Mir (which was smaller than the ISS), and was about 14 months. The ISS is also pretty good - way better than regular spaceships - in terms of redundant systems. It's big enough and complex enough that the number of system failures is fairly constant, and most failures are not fatal. There have been fires, leaks and numerous breakdowns on the ISS over the years, but none (yet) has proven disastrous. In contrast, many such incidents on a small, regular spaceship would have been potentially fatal. So, here's what we do. First, we send up a whole bunch of boosters to the ISS and bolt them on. We also bolt on a Mars lander/ascender or two, for later. Oh, and a few extra containers of food, water and oxygen. (The ISS is quite good at recycling water and air, so it won't need vast reserves of these.) All this can be done over the course of months or even years, riding out fluctuations in budgets. Next, we fire up the boosters and point the thing at Mars. The boosters will have to be very low-thrust, long-burning rockets, because the ISS isn't designed to withstand large accelerations - but that's OK. If the thrust is applied over a few days or even weeks, it'll be fine. Once we get to Mars, we pop the ISS into Mars orbit (again using a very gentle acceleration to do so), and then hang around for a few weeks looking at the scenery and checking out systems. When we're ready, we hop into the lander and nip down to the surface to do a bit of exploring. The crew can be large enough that a team can stay in the ISS while the other lot are out shopping. The return mission is much the same as the outbound mission, but in reverse. The advantage of sending the ISS is that it's a large, well-resourced and well-tested ship with proven ability to sustain life for months at a time. And, when it gets back, it can go back into Earth orbit and carry on as before. Credits: [MaxwellBuchanan](https://www.halfbakery.com/user/MaxwellBuchanan) of [HalfBakery](http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Hijack_20the_20ISS_20to_20Mars). .:lt Mes jau seniai turėjome būti Marse - čia gyvenome kelis milijardus metų ir iki šiol nė karto neaplankėme savo kaimynų. Viena iš problemų, susijusių su skrydžiu į Marsą, be abejo, yra tai, kad jis yra gan toli - daugiau nei šimtą kartų toliau nei Mėnulis. Sukurti kosminį laivą, kuris saugiai apgyvendintų įgulą daugeliui mėnesių, nėra paprastas techninis uždavinys. Kita vertus, Tarptautinė Kosminė Stotis (TKS) šiuo metu nieko gero nedaro, o tik sukasi Žemės orbitoje. Žinome, kad žmonės TKS gali išgyventi gana patogiai ir labai ilgai. Gyvenimo kosminėje stotyje laiko rekordas buvo pasiektas stotyje „Mir“ (kuri buvo mažesnė nei TKS), ir tai buvo apie 14 mėnesių. Be to, TKS yra gana saugi, ir turi daug atsarginių sistemų, todėl daug saugesnė nei įprasti kosminiai laivai. Ji yra tokia didelė ir sudėtinga, jog sistemos gedimų skaičius ir pobūdis statistiškai pastovus ir žinomas, o dauguma gedimų nėra mirtini. Per daugelį metų TKS buvo gaisrų, nutekėjimų ir daugybė gedimų, tačiau nė vienas (dar) nebuvo pražūtingas, tuo tarpu daugelis tokių incidentų mažame, įprastame kosminiame laive būtų potencialiai mirtini. Taigi, štai koks planas: pirma, išsiųskime visą seriją raketinių variklių į TKS, ir juos pritvirtinkime. Tuomet, pakelkime keletą nusileidimo į Marsą ir pakilimo atgal į stotį „lenderių“. Nugabenkime kažkiek papildomų maisto atsargų, vandens ir deguonies. (TKS gana gerai perdirba vandenį ir orą, todėl jam nereikės didelių atsargų.) Visa tai galima padaryti per kelis mėnesius o gal metus, jei atsižvelgtume į biudžeto svyravimus. Tuomet įjungiame raketinius variklius ir nukreipiame visą šį daiktą į Marsą. Mūsų plano kontekste, raketiniai varikliai turės būti labai žemos traukos, ilgai degančios raketos, nes TKS nėra sukurta atlaikyti didelius pagreičius, bet tai nėra problema: trauka galėtų būtų palaikoma kelias dienas ar net savaites, ir nuo to planas iš esmės nepasikeistų. Nuskridus iki Marso, įvairuojame TKS į Marso orbitą (tam dar kartą naudodamiesi labai švelniu pagreičiu), o po to stabtelėtume kelias savaites pasigrožėti orbitovaizdžiu ir patikrinti visoms sistemas. Kuomet jau būtume pasirengę, šoktume į „lenderį“ ir nusileistume į paviršių šiek tiek tyrinėti. Įgula galėtų būti pakankamai didelė, jog vis komanda galėtų likti stotoyje, kol kita komandos dalis „lapsipirkinėta“ Marse. Sugrįžimo misija būtų beveik tokia pati kaip išvykstamoji, tik priešinga kryptim. Tarpautinės Kosminės Stoties siuntimo į Marsą pranašumas yra tas, jog tai yra didelis, daug išteklių turintis ir gerai išbandytas kosminis laivas, įrodantis gebėjimą išlaikyti gyvenimą daugelį mėnesių. Sugrįžus, stotis galėtų būti sugrąžinta į Žemės orbitą ir tęsti darbą kaip anksčiau. Autoriai: [MaxwellBuchanan](https://www.halfbakery.com/user/MaxwellBuchanan) iš [HalfBakery](http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Hijack_20the_20ISS_20to_20Mars). "item:source-date": "" "item:permalink": "/method/995/?l=en" "item:owner": "Mindey" "item:created": "2020-11-01T10:35:14.963000" "item:ownerlink": "/user/147/Mindey" # "item:link:items": - "id": "l-40" "url": "https://www.labiotech.eu/in-depth/biotechnology-space-travel/" "text": "去火星,我们需要生物技术" "note": "生物技术可能是使飞船不再依赖地球持续供应的唯一可能的解决方案。" "owner": "尹与及" "ownerlink": "/user/196/尹与及" "permalink": "/method/995/?l=en#l-40" "created": "2020-11-08T02:36:19.588000" - "id": "l-41" "url": "https://astronomy.com/news/2019/07/compound-in-red-wine-resveratrol-could-help-astronauts-walk-on-mars" "text": "红酒中的白藜芦醇成分可帮助宇航员在火星上行走" "note": "在长期太空飞行中,红酒可能减缓宇航员的肌肉损失。" "owner": "尹与及" "ownerlink": "/user/196/尹与及" "permalink": "/method/995/?l=en#l-41" "created": "2020-11-08T03:07:13.029000" "item:link:add": "/admin/hlog/link/add/?parent=995" "item:project:items": "item:project:add": "/admin/hlog/project/add/?parent=995" "item:comment:add": "/methods/addnote?parent=995" "item:comment:add:csrf_token": "y0Y6VuZlyJfmrG7NHc7vo7t4HdEGL8BCAGfEXYAD1DKb2fo3UWvo9iCxIFoBHcPJ" "item:comment:form": |
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  • Please, log in. # "item:comment:items": - "id": "a-991" "text": | The mass of ISS being 419.7 metric tonnes, it would perhaps make more sense to detach some of the modules, that had been found essential and necessary for high survivability. Just like with the idea about dolphins, it would make sense here to make a list of strategic contacts to discuss and share about this. "owner": "Inyuki" "ownerlink": "/user/206/Inyuki" "permalink": "/method/995/?l=en#a-991" "created": "" - "id": "a-994" "mtrans": | So shall we start this project? It seems to be a more feasible idea than the existing manned Mars project. The important questions I think are: First of all, the owner of the ISS must be persuaded to change the function of the ISS from flying around the earth to going to Mars (the original author Maxwell Buchanan has already explained in detail about interplanetary flight, landing on Mars, and survival on Mars). Secondly, the ISS can regularly receive replenishment from the spacecraft in its orbit around the earth. If you go to Mars, you will need to bring more replenishment (for air and water, Maxwell Buchanan said it can be recycled and reused). The point is that this is a one-time use. There are multiple sets of pre-plans for all kinds of spare instruments and equipment to deal with unknown conditions. "text": | 那么我们开始做这个项目吧?看起来是比现有的载人火星项目更可行的想法。 重要的问题我觉得是: 首先,要说服ISS的拥有者,将ISS转变功能,从绕地球飞行到去火星(关于行星际飞行、登陆火星、在火星生存的问题原文作者 MaxwellBuchanan已经有很详细的说明)。 其次,在绕地球的轨道上ISS是可以定期收到飞船的补给,去火星的话补要带更多(关于空气和水,MaxwellBuchanan说可以回收再利用)。重点是这是一次性的,各种备用的仪器、设备,未知状况的处理,要有多套预案。 "owner": "尹与及" "ownerlink": "/user/196/尹与及" "permalink": "/method/995/?l=en#a-994" "created": "" - "id": "a-1003" "text": | [Inyuki], yeah, that's significant mass, but considering that Starship will be able to lift approx. 100 metric tonnes to orbit, this will look feasible with a couple of Starship launches... So, all the focus to the Starship. "owner": "Mindey" "ownerlink": "/user/147/Mindey" "permalink": "/method/995/?l=en#a-1003" "created": "" "base:js": "/static/js/base.c7357c06cc89.js"