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ago @ The Scandal of Money

I think a large amount of financial engineering is fraudulent. Just look at tax avoidance.

But what's rotten in demark is the currency itself. Fiat currency is fraudulent by its nature.

I think it's wrong that a country's worth can be diluted internationally by a financial cabal.

Bitcoin is no solution. The bitcoin lords are fiefdoms of another nature, speculative jackals.

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chronological

ago @ Regenerative Creation

Curious, so what is regeneration? I wonder, how is creativity not-regenerative at the moment?

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Ruta

ago @ SAME

Welcome [malü] to 0oo! So cool to showcase our SAME project here. I see you added some other deep questions too. Cool :) Lets explore!

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Ruta

ago @ 0 > oo

// How do Weirdo Creative Futurist Dreamers come and join those events?

Well, events obviously need calendar links, that we could display alongside them. :)

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Mindey

ago @ 0 > oo

Great, love it! So how do Weirdo Creative Futurist Dreamers come and join those events?

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Ruta

ago @ Seascrapers

// Maybe you need to adjust the inner ear semicircular canals first?

Well, just use X-BOW ship design (video). It helps with rough seas. Then, weather forecast to navigate around stormy weather. Modern ships tend to have multiple sets of ship stabilizers, so that it's generally not an issue. For the case of rough seas, there's always anti-motion sickness glasses. ;)

So, I think this generally is not an issue. What may be an issue, is the amount of steel needed, compared to traditional buildings, and the overall cost performance and overall cost-benefit analysis from the perspective of the passengers. For example, it may be useful for people who want to live with friends of diverse nationalities without worrying about visa requirements, but some may worry about the availability of services comparable to those found on land: some may care about the health security, others may worry about the entertainment options. Such ship has to compete with a developed city district, which adds to the cost, and means that the ship needs to be really big to achieve the economies of scale for certain more expensive equipment that city districts enjoy.

Perhaps multiple ships could join to form something like the fictional "Atlantis", helping realize the dream of "Oceania".

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Mindey

ago @ 0 > oo

:) I thought, regarding events, we have a place for events :) https://0oo.li/events . I'm thinking, we could use it. The Lifeboat Foundation uses its "what's new" "( https://lifeboat.com/ex/whats.new ), where they share various news they find and relevant to their audience. We could do too. Then link those events with Questions / Ideas / Projects, the readers of which may find it interesting to participate in them. E.g., if we have a topic on Finance, finance discussion events may be auto-linked, if it is something about art, then art exploration meetings could be connected, etc.

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Mindey

ago @ The Scandal of Money

Hmm, I view the world not defined by words but by interactions. So, events are spaces to interact with people about topics. And interactions shape words used and shape our world views, and such the world.

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Ruta

ago @ The Scandal of Money

// "From Scarcity to Sufficiency" (from event description) //

Nay, I'm interested in "from Connection to Prosperity" instead. "Sufficiency" not enough, ever.

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Mindey

ago @ Synergy Bubbles Social Experiment

// Social experiment asking strangers deep questions

That reminds me the "Big Talk", rather than small talk. :) A bit of security bubbles?

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Mindey

ago @ The Scandal of Money

[Mindey] you may like this online event on Friday, a chat with a currency designer Ferananda Ibarra.

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Ruta

ago @ Synergy Bubbles Social Experiment

I have some early proof that this experiment works. I had a community in 2013 with teachers whom I met this exact way on Twitter. I met Mindey in a similar way. I started collaborating with Malü this way too (whom I met online and asked to co-create a community with during our first call, that became a SAME project). Who else would like to join this experiment with me? :)

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Ruta

ago @ The Scandal of Money

Cryptocurrencies are also just ropes, they are part of the scandal of money. In my opinion, only by together defining the true goal of Life, and creating rational distance metric to that goal, then measuring it, is how we can resolve the "scandal of money."

Markets try to approximate what traders value, not what Life values, and markets are too dumb to come up with objective measure of value.

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Mindey

ago @ 0 > oo

// I suggest to add inter-disciplinary discussion as a benefit here //

Of course, that is one of those magical things about the place and generality of its structure -- it is to cultivate the truly interdisciplinary thought. :) It could be a truly unique benefit: I think the core of 0oo must the "weirdo creative futurist dreamers", and others be more of a supportive periphery, i.e., regulators/investors/financiers -- be the ones who say "ouch" or "go ahead" -- with their regulatory or financial actions, meanwhile leaving the creative spirit to be what it is.

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Mindey

ago @ 0 > oo

// desire to discuss science and engineering publicly //

I suggest to add inter-disciplinary discussion as a benefit here. There are places on-line for scientists to talk.

But where is an open place on the Internet (or in the world) to discuss sciences, arts, design, engineering and business, all together?

It does not exist. So who would disagree that such a diverse mix of thinking would produce unexpected ideas and projects? Great offer for those who like to think and create.

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Ruta

ago @ 0 > oo

Thanks for great suggestions towards the tackling the challenge, [Ruta]. All great suggestions, though, I have doubts about one:

// Countries with less resources have more urgency to get involved in a new initiative like 0oo, compared to Western countries and busy cities with too-much-going-on

The scientific research being well-funded in the West doesn't imply that there is no desire to discuss science and engineering publicly. On the contrary...

Yes, there are little known universities, that had nevertheless produced exceptional talent. The talent is not so much a function of "university", but rather, of the specific individuals that end up there (likely due to their family and extracurricular education, not because of the university). So, I'd rather not focus on on-boarding universities, but focus on those individuals, as you once said 1:1.

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Mindey

ago @ 0 > oo

RE challenge:

// How to get goal-aligned interest groups of visionaries, regulators, inventors, doers+financiers to come to 0oo.li from diverse world's economic blocs? //

Structuring community development in stages helps and leaves time for relationship development and enjoying the journey. I suggest to start with the most important group first: visionaries and inventors (so that 0oo is filled with topics to discuss and drive projects from). Then moving to doers+financiers. Lastly, to regulators.

How to discover visionaries? I suggest to contact universities in locations that get less funding for R&D. Students have time to think, research and develop. Countries with less resources have more urgency to get involved in a new initiative like 0oo, compared to Western countries and busy cities with too-much-going-on. Simply sending emails to student unions, R&D programmes, open innovation programmes in universities is doable. Starting with 1 student union.

In terms of "goal-aligned groups", I suggest inviting non-profit organisations that research Sustainable Development Goals and/or have "100% of life" and similar in their mission statements, to share their research projects on 0oo so that they get input from the crowd, also invite researchers to use 0oo for cross-pollination of ideas and research questions.

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Ruta

ago @ World Mapping Assistant

Umm, yeah. If you add the capability to send signals in arbitrary protocol, such assistant could be extended to a "universal peer" (i.e., you don't need Ethereum peer, because you are the universal peer, and free to decide which protocol-defined peer-group to collaborate with). The Internet is already decentralized, it's just that the peer size distribution is skewed (tend to follow power law), just like wealth distribution, with very few very big nodes with lots of resources, and most nodes with little resources.

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Mindey

ago @ Boredom expert

Check out the work of Scott Barry Kauffman, psychologist who creates Self-Actualisation Tests and writes books on how people can self-actualise :)

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Ruta

ago @ World Mapping Assistant

What about GNU-Radio, gqrx-sdr and gqrx-scanner ? Related thoughts on friend-seeking using radio waves: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/5641096

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Mindey

ago @ World Mapping Assistant

You forgot to mention any scanner in the radio frequency spectrum.

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Inyuki

ago @ Security of Investment Into Bleeding-Edge Innovation

Perhaps patenting could be replaced by law. Once messages in public are cryptographically signed, and engraved into blockchains, the traditional police would find it very cheap to verify authenticity, making explicit patenting unnecessary.

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Mindey

ago @ Televised lectures

I wonder how television works in times when many people use Netflix and Youtube? Who in TV decides what programmes are produced and streamed? Who funds them? Any way to influence TV makers in their choices? Are they using any innovation tools to discover new ideas what to stream?

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Ruta

ago @ Casual education

We also learn when we follow our curiosity: by browsing the web, reading articles and ebooks, talking with strangers on forums. A question here: How to capture self-directed learning?

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Ruta

ago @ MUTANTU

[Mindey] great idea :) agree.

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Ruta

ago @ MUTANTU

Should we have consultation meetings with demos, as people could perhaps give ideas to challenges during them?

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Mindey

ago @ Televised lectures

So, yes, this makes a lot of sense, and yes, I also thought of this, actually, before 2005, when I came to Japan and saw that there, TV of national television was casually broadcasting school math lectures for middle school. It's a pity that most Western broadcasters focus on news, movies and advertisement, rather than educational use.

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Mindey

ago @ MUTANTU

I realised that mapping the concepts in Living Systems does not matter because systems are about interactions not objects. So I have "spells" for a character to learn so that they transform their identity and access a higher consciousness. :) Spells here are actions (inter-actions with other systems) to go through.

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Ruta

ago @ Boredom

I think Boredom is a magical space when random questions and snippets of ideas enter our minds!

I would agree with a course "Learning How to Learn" on Coursera that says, when our brain is in a defocused mode, we think differently and form unexpected connections.

So this question could be rephrased as "How to make Boredom a productive space for ideation?"

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Ruta

ago @ MUTANTU

^__^ Interesting you're talking spells. Sounds intriguingly game-like, or movie-like. Thinking of spells reminds me "The Lord of the Rings".

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Mindey

ago @ 0 > oo

Feature request:

  • Adding labels (meta-categories) to all types (Questions, Ideas, Projects) would allow users to see diversity of thinkers and quickly realise how to make a useful comment

  • Meta-categories could be: Science, Economy, Culture, Education, Art, Philosophy, Technology

For example:

  • if a question talks about flying to Mars, this question is labeled as Science

  • if a question talks about improving roads, it's labeled as Economy

  • if it talks about human traditions and rituals, it's labeled as Culture

  • if it talks about making learning more fun, it's labeled as Education

  • if it talks about social norms and creative experiments, it's labeled as Art

  • if it talks about new ways of thinking and mental models, it's labeled as Philosophy

  • if it talks about new technologies, it's labeled as Technology

What other meta-categories would help group everything shared on this website?

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Ruta

ago @ SAME

"154. This is the number of different nationalities living in Lithuania" says Diverse.lt project. It'd be interesting to talk to all of them and get introduced to people in their motherlands!

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Ruta

ago @ 0 > oo

Feature request from [Ruta]:

  • have the "done" option in the tasks mentioned in comments.

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Mindey

ago @ 0 > oo

Feature requests:

  • Emoticons in comments

  • Background colour on homepage section "operations" to match a background colour of "results" within a project page

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Ruta

ago @ 0 > oo

Amazing to see Challenges feature realised! So useful when asking for help from strangers. I just posted my first Challenge in SAME project.

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Ruta

ago @ Positronic Material Emulation Screen

// more realistic virtual reality?

Not really. This is not about virtual reality -- it's about creating mass-less interactive objects of the actual reality. One is not limited to 2D screens of course, this could be a 3D, hologram-like objects with surfaces that, at quantum level interact like real. That is, if you shine a laser onto such surface that emulates a mirror, it would (unlike a hologram) actually reflect the laser like a mirror would.

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Mindey

ago @ Supercategories for Public Intelligence Standardization

Actually, through time and reflections on Network of Functions and World Mapping Assistant, I had come up with a higher level categorization system that is more compact and usable. It revolves around the concept of Systems, and involves only 5 classes of concepts: 100: Resource, 200: Category, 300: System, 400: Method, and 500: Operation. The details are on V2 ("Network Resource Vocabulary"). I currently use it to organize all crawled data. It follows a similar pattern how we categorize the HTTP responses with HTTP Status Codes. Perhaps these supercategories here could be used to extend that network resource vocabulary.

I wonder, is there something similar already done by others, and what approaches had they come up with.

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Mindey

ago @ 0 > oo

I need a <3 button for comments. Yeah, [Ruta], that's exactly the kind of functionality that I'd love to add. (⇡)

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Mindey

ago @ 0 > oo

in near future, it'd be cool to facilitate funding people directly via 0oo platform for the results they declare realising projects.

this is how it could work:

1.Funder discovers whom to fund

a funder prioritises projects by category (arts, sciences, innovation, etc) and chooses a Project to fund

OR

first, a funder browses through all research questions, ideas, projects and discovers an Individual (or a few) that they like and decide to:

  • fund that user directly with a recurring donation

  • form a project with that user with a recurring donation attached to it

2.Funder clicks a button to make a recurring monthly donation of chosen amount to that user or a project

3.User keeps on declaring results to the Project and gets a recurring donation to a wallet that allows to cashout (transfer the money to their online bank or paypal)

this feature would suit perfectly for matching artists/independent researchers with philanthropists/patrons who already provide "residencies", "bursaries", "stipends", "donations" in programs part of universities, research centres, art centres

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Ruta

ago @ X-Maze Project

I'll write it soon, once the "Challenge" feature is ready :)

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Mindey

ago @ X-Maze Project

What is your Challenge to realise this project?

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Ruta

ago @ XMaze

// think of homework problems that lead to new locations //

love this! suits business startup training too

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Ruta

ago @ Sentience of Companies and their Ownership/Trade Rights

//shares represent something different: from the rights to revenues to the uniqueness of particular human relationships //

Cool, so let's explore - what would shares represent?

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Ruta

ago @ XMaze

Thanks [transiency], happy new year as well. I think the one way to start is to use GeoCaching with students, where geocaching unlocks further locations of the world. Our world has got quite a lot of space already. Think of homework problems that lead to new locations. ;)

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Mindey

ago @ Sentience of Companies and their Ownership/Trade Rights

I see. Sometimes, we have ideas of such significance, that they seem to connect to many ideas of others, and we start to think of each others' ideas as ours. I wonder, what's the limiting case of inventive cross-pollination?

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Mindey

ago @ SAME

Amazing to know. Curiously looking forward to the updates~ ;)

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Mindey

ago @ XMaze

Mindey: Happy new year~ I am engaged in education. According to your ideas, I should be able to do something that is truly beneficial to mankind. How to start?

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transiency

ago @ XMaze

A few years back, the way to realize this idea might have been to build something from scratch, but considering that there's Dual Universe and Google AdWords, and Brilliant.org as problems source, and the Khan Academy as an educational material source, currently, it makes much sense to go M&A approach, and discuss a possible cooperation with all these sides, tasking Google AdWords with AdLocks as extension of AdWords, the Dual Universe with the experience side. An ideological gameplay leader or consultant could be David Münnich, creator of Notpron and Supraland. I think Gleb Skibitsky (thoughts on 3D internet for education), and creators of Firestorm viewer for SecondLife may be great consultants as well.

On the other hand, protocol-level implementation for decentralized marketplace of the problem placements, is also on the table. For certain types of problems it may even be easier to verify solutions. Additionally, UpWork could be the source of tasks from industry in such a maze. Just imagining how much people's attention this could capture and direct towards meaningful problem solving and education is mind-bloggling. I think I should talk with people, and maybe we can someone passionate working on this.

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Mindey

ago @ 0 > oo

So, as [Ruta] has pointed out, projects may benefit from having "Challenges" (like KPIs or targets for projects), and I think, additionally, we could have something of a "Leaderboard" view or sort option for projects at 0oo.li/projects. I agree that this would be great things to add, and yeah, on the to-do list for projects.

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Mindey

ago @ Network of Functions

Apparently, OPERAND and VALUE, i.e., the 5th and 6th merge into one, as they are very similar, and those who think that a relation is not an object, are mistaken.

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Inyuki