What I feel you're getting at is the problem of representing meaning in a computer system.

People naturally use language grammars such as English or Lithuanian to express rules.

How should the van driver on the motorway be communicated with that he needs to do a check of something when he arrives at the customer location? Or that the government employee needs to check something on another subsystem before advancing the case.

Companies typically use memorandums, emails and operational manuals for this sort of thing. And use digital learning platforms for this. All expressed in your native language.

I think if business processes were completely digitised and replaced by information forms and super flexible workflow engines then the need for natural language would go away. But then you are left with a problem when the computer isn't as flexible as a person or customer or employee would want.

It's easy to say that all you need to satisfy any constraints, is to twist coordinate system. It's hard to use all ontologies and possible constructs (ontological geometric primitives and complexes) to link it all up to such system. It requires solving human and machine language representation and interpretation first.

Did you ever get serviced by a company and the company's own representative didn't know of the company's own policy on the situation.

People twist should cause that to be impossible.

Or if you've ever dealt with the government and getting problems resolved. Refunds or tax sorted out it's a pain. Nobody is on the same page when you phone.

Well, thinking this way may open up a lot of social possibilities. However, to run such queries, a bunch of intermediary things would have to be developed (I guess: the intelligence community may already enjoy a finished product for this kind of tool.)

Yes. A query is used to insert points and relationships in between existing points and links between points and positions.

Imagine being capable of creating a company that simply uses other products and services of other companies and people twists them into position so they are all married up together on the same page.

Business could get supremely complicated and advanced.

So, a running query is a projecting to hyperplane for the corresponding question of concern?

Coordinate transformations will be used to relayout the hyperplanulars after a change.

A bit similar to how a layout engine reserved space for things on the screen inside the layout. The bidirectional people twisting system needs to recognise where points go after new points are twisted into position.

I suspect you would use special designer software to identify new points and their relationships or interfaces or interactions and reactions and then write a query that represents where the twisted points go.

Yes there is a hyperplane which represents all a person's cases (I think state is less accurate than case. Otherwise it's a position in multidimensionular space) - where they are, what they're interacting with who they're communicating with, and states of various information systems.

I want to interface with that person directly so their experience or perspective changes so yes it's translational rotational intersections and movement of existing points and Introduction of new points in between existing points.

If you can project all a person's positions and interactions between others and systems you could also have a bidirectional mapping and change the existing mappings.

Using that manner I could silently introduce a change to all customer service agents to service customers differently, perhaps to update customers on a new status that their order is in. Or I can introduce a new check to people working in vans on the motorway at clients sites. I can introduce new behaviours to people by changing the projections and twisting new things into between other things.

Regarding your concept of "people twist", I think what you're describing, is the idea of projection hyperplanes, or vectors, in a similar way that I had talked about basic human questions as base vectors to map human semantic space. In that sense, yes, if you have a new question or problem, you kinda want to project available reality picture into the projection hyperplane defined by the problem or question.

Is it correct to imagine what you call "people twist" as coordinate transformation? (i.e., when we want to change the perspective at an object, we translational or rotational geometric transformations, e.g., using rotation matrices.

If this is what you mean by "twist", I think, you should explain it. Mapping the world into semantic coordinate system should definitely allow one to do such things (i.e., answer questions by solving equations about the transformations needed to apply to people or agents) in geometric sense.

However, technically such "twisting" of coordinate system to see different projections may not be that cheap. One could say that people working in ML field, that are extracting features of interest in various ways (from PCA to NNs), are already projecting phenomena into various projection hyperplanes.

I think the generic idea you are talking about is the idea that an answer to a question is a projection of phenomenon to a hyperplane defined by that question (or a question of actions needed to take to address the issue in question), and the idea of "People twist", is a special case of applying this reasoning to solving problems about reorganizing and re-constraining people social relationships between people and their organizations. Is that the case, or am I missing something?

I think this is a valid reasoning, but the exact implementation of that oracle that rotates the coordinate systems in high-dimensional spaces, to be able to see the problems from the perspective of solutions, is what would be most useful, if you one could make a machine that does those "twists". After all, every invention, and every course of action, was a kind of projection as twist of perspective in someone's head.

How do you get groups of people to all do things the using the same manner.

Without those people necessarily agreeing with the changes.

How do you offer supreme customer service when your systems only let you move a case in one direction?

You need people twist in addition to infinity.

One individual realises there is a lack of justice with something and people twists everyone else into being just.

// I can twist people's behaviours to do what I want.

Obviously, there are multiple ways to achieve this:

• Targeted supply-demand engineering via financial incentives
• Messaging moderation and mass communication tools

However, among the best ways, is to make people begin to desire it by themselves. Actually, you may be interested in reading what I was thinking back in 2015, of the Infinity project, here:

https://wiki.mindey.com/shared/docs/infinity.pdf

Summary: Imagine that you want something... You define it. Society makes it happen... In a fair, self-motivated way. That's Infinity."

If I wanted to offer repairs of products sold I could introduce a change and communicate with all the people involved of the service.

Or I could people twist in repair as a service that causes people's case inbox to change. I can twist people's behaviours to do what I want.

Everyone's processes each day wilt be different as different processes are twisted in.

Very much your thought of billiard balls with elasticity.

// each person is a point and each interaction between points is an event

Well, think of events as objects of timespace, and so, in a similar way to how physical objects have mass, which is an integral of stuff over distance (or volume), events may have something I call "tass", as stuff over time (or span): how heavy the events are -- I realized that computational time-complexity is what may be describing that "tass" of events, and elaborated on that more, but my comments on LinkedIn were deleted by an invisible force together with disappearance of conversation opponent Tai Hsu Ph.D.

Events attract and cluster (and, this is not just a casual observation, but mathematical model (namely, Hawkes process) that predicts earthquake aftershocks also works well to predict crime: it also clusters). So, it is possible to think of playing with events (and increasingly bigger ones) in the way that kids play with objects.

// What if as an outside investor I want to change the behaviour of a group of people.

That is a valid desire, but playing with society and groups of people is a bit like having a billiard board with balls of random elasticity (btw., an idea in its own right) - it gets chaotic and complicated fast. An easier way is to put the balls into the water, and, if those balls float, make appropriate waves to get them together.

Update from Ruta world! With [malü] we're doing a weekly challenge where we connect on Zoom to showcase what we have done in the past week to move our projects/dreams forward.

So for Saturday March 19th our collective challenge is:

To create 3 intro videos about our lessons (pursuing our dreams to have online creativity schools!)

Stay tuned.. :)

Hello World! I'm kicking off my personal brand project here. I love lifelogging, so I'm going to ue this space to share about my progress towards my desired life path.

I had a problem lately, where I was feeling information overload and energy drain. So I realised that I a need to use my energy wisely, and focus on those activities that don't consume much energy: like working from home instead of f2f and doing things I'm good at.

So far, I'd like to realise myself through 4 buckets:

• Working as a professional web designer (creative WordPress), even moving into UI/UX, working with a manager, so that I could focus on creative expression rather than client briefs

• Working as a web tutor, sharing with people through screen-share calls how to start a website with WordPress

• Working as a creative business coach, guiding people on how to create a purposeful business based on their story ("brainchildren")

• Creating shared visions together with people who are different to me: 2kokono and o2oo with Malu and Mindey :D

Lifelogs coming as they come :)

I think we should think ORM on top of APIs as a new paradigm, just like there was ORM on top of SQL. :)

I'm thinking of Wiki for client libraries of all systems. For example, for Telegram APIs:

• 1. List available package managers
• 1. Find all that implements client libraries for Telegram
• 1. Document them so that we understand I/O types of those clients.

Wow, what a friendly self-intro video!

You can use the online Art of Game Design Deck to get inspiration https://deck.artofgamedesign.com/#/divination/?lang=en

Curious, if this idea is a "real-time storytelling game" (from the sub-title), so how would this game work exactly? Say 5 people get together and what happens then? :)

Thanks for the sending the link to this discussion. It seems like gaming or scenario exploration can help domain experts understand the impact of their work. Scenario Exploration System.

What i see in my feeds are both utopic and dystopic views of AI. So this would be one dimension of an exploration. Another dimension could be profit vs human centered.

So, could explain what your idea promises, in a nutshell? Is it "Let's communicate in this particular (adventurous, gamified) way, and this will improve AI design", or is it more along the line -- "I noticed that you are trying to create a community to steer the AI through public discussion, what about this community game that we could play, and maybe it would grow into something?"?

If it is the former, inviting people to join discussion threads is a pipe dream without a pipeline, and I suggest elaborating of how this would make the promised impact. I could imagine this happening, if this idea were to propose, say, a social propagation scheme, a system for matching and inviting or on-boarding other opponents (or groups of them), so that game the phenomenon would be provably salable. Otherwise, it's unlikely to reach impact.

If it is the latter, i.e., "Let's just have this form of conversation, and it'll transform AI design," then it's an invitation for activity with purpose, rather than an invention that would move the mountains (make big impact). For example, these gamified conversations for speculative thinking may engage visitors here.

So, it's a [-] for an idea, because it seem to lack rationale of how this would scale up or propagate socially to reach the communities of AI researchers and practitioners, and a [+] for an activity that we could try doing with that intent, and with a hope that it would.

Thank you Mindey and Ruta for the very thoughtful responses!!

What would be the score of such a game, and how would this scale? - Currently, the way I'm thinking about it is that the goal of each iteration of the game is for the participants to co-create a set of unique stories. The game mechanics is based on the choose your own adventure children's book series (which was my favorite thing in the world growing up). However, here the game mechanics is (1) also utilizing the concept of backcasting from the field of Future Studies and (2) there's a collective element to it - we, as the participants in this specific iteration of the game, are co-creating a unique set of speculative scenarios about how do we move from the present to an alternative future. I'm wondering how we could better leverage the collective aspect of multiple people doing this critical thinking exercise together?

I don't think this will be a product but more like a social game to do with a group of people (maybe a card game too?). It doesn't necessarily require technology, however, it is a game about technology - inspiring critical reflections and alternative worldviews. 

I think that the idea requires a manifesto ... I'm thinking of it more like a social movement than a game that entertains or makes money. I still have no idea what the manifesto will be about, but I think it will have to set the stage about - why are we doing this? what is the purpose of a specific iteration of the game? what are the shared values and intentions that participants agree on?

What do you think about a worldbuilding social movement that invites participants to collectively explore how we could design AI that enables the alternative futures we want?

Specifically, I'm thinkinging about an iteration of the game which is focused on the environmental impact of AI systems and exploring an environmental justice lens on the impacts of AI. The goal of the iteration would be to invite participants to speculate about how we could design AI in more equitable ways for diverse human populations as well as non-human species and ecosystems.

Yes, this is a ThinkTech, I love it Ruta! Thank you also for the Markdown hint

Hey [bobi.rakova], so good to see your idea entering wider worlds! As we spoke about it on Signal, I'll try to share what we discussed so far! And add some more feedback.

It seems that this idea is about:

Innovating on a design method how AIs are designed:

• Including "friction, pause, reflection, observation" stages in the design process. Contrary to current design techniques that aim to produce solutions faster, which serves mainly the business goals and not alwaysconnect to the higher needs of the users (like wellbeing, mindfulness, wise decision making, development of critical thinking).

• Gamifying the design process with elements taken from Speculative Fiction worlds.

• Using "fire" as a metaphor in the game, as a symbol of transformation (in a creative process fire means expressing oneself through problem solving and healing, in dialogue fire means the energy and mixing diverse forces - thoughts).

• Making AI design process participatory ("designed with" end users and not "for"), where users involve in a real-time storytelling game as you say, where participants explore multiple user journeys through play.

Do you know the Time Well Spent movement sparked by Tristan Harris? Maybe they'd be interested to test this idea.

This idea also relates to what I discussed with [Mindey] - about a new category of technology called ThinkTech - where technology is designed not for addiction and mindless fast consumption of content but slow interaction, critucal thinking, meaningful dialogue.

Let's brainmelt all! :D

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P.S. links are in Markdown :) here are the steps how to add a link

// "to use design as a means of speculating how things could be" — speculative design

Ok. Speculation in innovation is common: when writing books, making movies, etc.

// "in nature, friction makes fire and fire can be destructive but it can also [..] regenerative"

Ok. There's another saying -- "you can't cook omelet without breaking the eggs."

So, a game of imagining future stories for humanity, attempting to challenge the norms? However, what would be the score of such game, and how would this scale? You're mentioning "spaces for discussions, where imagination flows freely" -- what kind of requirements would there be? Is this idea more of a social pattern, or a product, like perhaps, something like "ClubHouse", but more towards exploring the humanity's futures?

// I want to run an experiment where a group of us gets together to collectively play this out and see what could emerge. Would you be interested? Do you have any thoughts and feedback about the idea?

Surely, I love imaginative and critical discussions. We may think of some time for an ad-hoc meeting.

connecting with local provider the usual payment gateways, but also integrating mobile cash and e wallets for the communities and providers. To be integrated this Week

I was wondering where to begin with this concept of "wearable art" and I felt like I need to narrow down and start small.

What is a "prototype", a test for me?

• One garmet transformed! I chosen a one-colour jacket.

• And I want to test and see if a "transformation ritual" works out for me to. Do I feel different after making the piece?

Notes:

1. So I identified a feeling I want to transform (I don't have a word for it now, a chest feeling).

2. From living systems, I chosen "a boundary" concept.

3. In the jacket, I chosen a part for remaking - shoulders. Because they express the idea of a boundary between self and the world.

Up next: Looking for materials for shoulders transformation. I imagine the finished piece having a feeling of lightness,after-a-storm feeling, flight, fluidity, maybe pieces moving in the air when walking.

to be continued...

I have the materials!

RE canvas choice: I realised that when a garment is made of polyester, it doesn't work in summer when it's hot or winter when it's cold, so the finished piece has to be for autumn or spring. I chosen jackets for experimentation.

Here's a link to my open project.

This may be among the most realistic ways to move planets with small initial amounts of energy. Just have to map the trajectories of small bodies across the solar system.

My next step is to experiment. So I'm in the step of searching materials (second-hand clothes). I realised that:

• Canvas is the most important in each art piece making. This core item has to be good quality to reflect the idea of wearable art for the future, so it has to be "wearable" and durable in quality. Also an item has to have plenty of space for making (like a blank sheet of paper), one colour is best.

• Each finished art piece would need to communicate the message that each reincarnated bunch of clothes is a system. Here, I have a question: What are the essential patterns of systems? These patterns would be expressed in each art piece. E.g. Metabolism, Whole is More than Parts (contrast as a feature of each art piece). Based on how this question is answered, ideas will appear and help me to select second-hand clothes for making the elements that will inhabit the canvas.

• In general, systemic thinking and systems education will be embeded into this practice of wearable bacterial art. Everyone who is a W.BARTIE, will need to collaborate with a local organisation who has microscopes, and this way to embody the idea of systems thinking (science-art partnerships in this case) where an interaction between different elements produce the whole that's more than its parts.

• Wearable Bacterial Art is a cleansing ritualistic art form where the process is often more importan than the final result. As an art practice it is used to transform fashion waste and emotional waste into value.

to be continued...

Interesting - I was thinking about Wearable Art before I got to know from a friend Serena that there is a World of Wearable Art competition! Seems like a cool community to connect. :)

So, like, mice and rats that live in sewerage pipes -- they must have evolved something to survive. A research into their immune system adaptations might be helpful.

Here's my Pinterest with inspirations

The Octopus also symbolises a mycelium network for me. When walking, the human body touches the earth (the network): the interaction between two systems. The interaction always sparks something.

"Producerism is an ideology which holds that those members of society engaged in the production of tangible wealth are of greater benefit to society than, for example, aristocrats who inherit their wealth and status." ~ Wikipedia

I wonder, what word would reflect a sense of "output" as a natural expression of self, also a balance between "input" (experiences) and "output" (creating) and sound more reserved, being about inner journey? Producing is not about status as wikipedia suggests, but something deeper, happiness for self and not showing off for others.

Symbés are back! Our symbiotic art will be at SDGs showcase with Doingud soon! Learning about NFTs too, lol. Stay tuned.

((And it seems that SYMBÉS are in fact capturing its identity as a symbiotic immersive art collective, other things will probably stay in our other projects such as Instinto Creador and KOKONO.))

How beyond symbolism could this hairhoop capture creative energy that lands from the Universe?

Well, I want to discover that too :) First thoughts that came to mind where: tentacles would be made from a metal that reacts to the energetic fields in the environment and it twists/moves based on energy in the air. To be continued...

// I'm figuring it would have to flicker and morph to convey that [octopus symbol]. Would it work as a communication tool...

Hmm, as a "communication tool with self" rather than with others wearing it. That's the point of Octahoop: getting into a creative flow from nothing just interaction with the self (as a living system: the mind and the body) and the natural environment, through observation and play.

So I went further to imagine how could Octahoop help communicate with the self?

First, I imagine wearing Octahoop outside on the move. And so each tentacle would be like a holder of observer's tools: a mini binocular, a tiny microscope, a tube with paper and a pen, a mini torch - all I need to interact with the environment. Here, adding a function to transform this hairhoop into a necklace would be useful: carrying tools for observation under the neck where hands can faster take out a tool out of a tentacle. (Also, if I happen to go to the city for exploration, I'd love to wear it as a necklace too, so that it doesn't bring attention, but still have my creative anchor and observer's toolkit with me).

Lastly, it would be useful to include a wearable tech function here measuring brainwaves and states of relaxation/stress that can then be correlated with creative flow and a pattern of a creative chaos. I'd like to measure steps (to build up on a body intelligence idea) and location too, to see in which places in the forest I captured those ideas landing from the Universe :) So yeah, an app for self use would be a cool addition.

So overall an Octahoop could extend to work like a complete and useful observer's toolkit as well as a symbolic creativity anchor.

I'm really having fun imaging this observer's friend!! LOL :)

Like, producerism instead of consumerism?

So, like a cat's ears, but octopus tentacles?

// "captures creative energy that lands from the Universe"

I fail to capture how it does it. :)

// builds up a metaphor of an octopus as a symbol of multitudes, a networked thinking (creativity), plurality of identities that creative lifestyle enables.

I'm figuring it would have to flicker and morph to convey that. Would it work as a communication tool that transfers the brainwaves between individuals wearing it?

I have an impression, that Infinity requires the expertise of at least 3 kind of communities:

1. Foresight.org, BFI.org, metaculus.com for the "Issues/Puzzles" part,
2. Halfbakery.com for the "Ideas" part,
3. Pioneer.app, IndieHackers.com for the "Projects" part.

There is more, like the products part, but at this time, taking the cultures of community focusing the first 3 things would be most beneficial, I think.

So, we could perhaps make special type of eye-glasses that correct for this cognitive bias.

Such glasses would have to compensate for lack of perception of broad-spectrum green and broad-spectrum purple colors by condensing the off-narrow-band greens and purples into the specific narrow bands that we perceive. This compensation would work a bit like reducing the standard deviations of green and purple distributions.

With such corrective glasses then we would see green stars, and purple stars, if they actually peak at these colors.

Hey, [Bassxn2], thanks for the idea~ We're already doing it (library for post-apocalyptic world) :) However, there's a number of problems with this idea:

• Ideas are not questions, but your subtitle asks a question instead of giving answer. If you're asking a question, you should write it under the "Issues" not the "ideas". [not-an-idea], [marked-for-moving-to-issues]
• It is widely known to exist, the idea of "Foundation" has been floating and discussed for millenia, and the term for it is -- "rosetta"

My impression is, that you just saw what we're doing here, and you probably also saw the Apple TV series "Foundation", and then, realized (identified) what we're doing at 0 > oo (which I've described here, and here, and here, back in 2005 year). The initiatives span back to the term called "Rosetta", back to ancient Egypt. That we use automatic categorization today is not really something new, because it's becoming a default thing to. So, I see a need to make move this topic to issues rather than ideas.

That said, the idea part:

" Idea purposes:

• collect all digital and non digital precepts knowledge for human life in earth and cosmos
• digitise the undigitised, undegitise the digitised...
• Twin creation:
  • use of smart systems thinking and technology to well categorise and create the trees. "

So, you're proposing an application of auto-categorization to civilization knowledge?

Yes for that, I've just added that as a task to auto-categorize content on Infinity.

I assume that those times technology is burned, and only technology we have is the technology we have in our minds and bodies, whether native, acquired, or developed. Whether electronic magnetic atmospheric mechanical sonoric etheric graphic syntactic etc...

Hello Mindey, we fixed it, there's a place holder landing page now. Still needs some editing I'll do today.

What seems practically doable, is experimenting with model organisms, say, trying to use blood of a frog to power a lizard, and see how feasible it is to prevent immune reactions by selectively filtering out certain proteins, like unwanted antibodies.

[BassinI], how this "multi-calendural" work? Could you summarize the method of it in one sentence under the title, which currently reads -- "a calendar is your way of telling people your rythm".

Yes, we are thinking of changing the social rhythms, make them more free-paced, creative, and integrative of stages from asking, to ideating, to doing. Is this idea -- a reflection about what we at Infinity are trying to do as an example of embroidery, or are you proposing some specific new way (new method) to connect multiple calendars?

Or are you suggesting a new type of embroidery? ("The embroidery had his/her calendar tool, for consent purposes...")

Note: I'm aware that the fashion business calendar which is imposed on us by same people who exploit is probably not harmonic, I use here only for an example of long span planning for those who are into that. Also planning ahead of time is a good practice. With supply chain equations and big data we'd be able forecast better with time!

For instant/urgent/quick gigs, is a different flow too.

But if we look at the patterns so far, humans are creating this story of continuous defragmenting, until now we reach the individual (we used to be empires until small countries and now individuals borders!!!) . It is the individual that needs to take the decision to appreciate the community, because it is the unit. So much garbage about individualism these days that is the true mis-information and the wor on consciousness. We need individuals just as much we need the community .

When we see that in our design is a part that will only be filled by another or others we see we are all one, and many and the same time. Changing one self is changing collective. We start realising the power of one, and then wake up to power of collective. (Unfortunately tribes will suffer a lot on the future :( I'm purely tribal wiring according to my tropical matrix 3d design but with individual thinking but tribal wiring nonetheless) sidereal and cosmic calculations are also valid, but 3d is activated collectively. So it's the mechanical point of departure.

It's quantum!

Our survival is in the hand of the individual, individuals need to wake up for communities to come together ..

I think... Of course... I don't know ... But I imagin

Cool...

Funn enough I was discussing this today!!

And I said that music is reason why I'm alive today...

Beauty. Is a valid source of happiness. Beauty of formulas, beauty of structures,

The universal concepts of "beauty" "love"

Can they merely be under relationship? Or expression?

Is beauty a relationship, or an experience? Or a meaning?

Is beauty in content/function/process form? Mathematicians seen beauty in numbers!

What is purpose...

Sorry I still can't sleep... Hope I'm not trolling Infiniti ! But CORE thoughts all ovah! This is the time to see what to shed and what to keep for next phase of cycle of hoomans or hoowoomans!

Yeah!

I believe we forget that a human is so so different and unique like everyone else!

We share the same "structure" but different wiring.

I think it's the ultimate test now make such a financial security a reality.

In fact in my belief system we have 5-7 years to build a foundation that will support our future generations and respect our ancestors... Not a long time.

In my imagined system: I understand the following wirings: (inspired and learned about from human design system) 1- tribal wiring 2- individual wiring 3- collective wiring

Also I believe also that there is a set limit of community members before it splits into two which arises conflict if understood.

Because we are here to mutate and blend , and produce all the possibilities? (Perhaps)

So for tribes, they need the food, the marriage, the freedom to be left alone. They should never be in control of the system alone because they are tribal and will always prefer their son/daughter than others. Which people interpret as corruption, and for sure it leads to that with bad understanding and resistance.

Then individuals they come with all the new ideas, they like to live alone, they need space etc .. their freedom is the freedom of all.

And collective which are fit for making sure all is happy, they sometimes steal the ideas of the individual and quarrel a lot with the tribes, but they put the benefit of everyone as a theme.

Why is related? Because money is a currency or an energy×exchanged , and for us all to exchange healthily we must respect our designs .. take care of communities, always accept mutations, and have procedures and processes .. that are organic... Nature gives us all the clues.

Sorry to talk a lot I couldn't sleep..

So I'm thinking of a global coop. Need to sketch it, and I will share hopefully sooner than later.

Ok, thank you. Yes ... You mean in this context it becomes like Kleenex for tissue paper?

I don't like the attitude of any payment gateways so far and the development team are worried about it. If I don't make it happen it will be a cash on delivery system. Which I don't personally mind .

I wish we can create our own financial institution that provides a payment gateway which supports a security plan for the future including health and education...

I'll remember to put it in the idea tracks...