You're very welcome, [yrik], welcome to Infinity Project :) Hope it helps!

I actually spent about a month, that is about {240} hours to do the prototype, which is [here](https://gitcafe.com/Mindey/X-Maze), and quit my PhD studies to learn to do it. :)

[Niamh], PayPal is already providing the option for own websites/blogs to create such a button. The YouTube/Vimeo videos and fan pages there are under control by [Google Inc.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google), and [Vimeo LLC.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vimeo) Google has its own payment services, like Google Wallet, but it seems that it had not integrated them to YouTube. The first step in making these changes on YouTube or Vimeo, is to find the decision-makers for these platforms, e.g., regarding YouTube, the CEO [Susan Wojcicki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Wojcicki), and [Kerry Trainor](https://www.linkedin.com/in/kerrytrainor) on Vimeo. It is usually easiest for companies to introduce a feature, if it well thought-out by an internal developer, who knows the system inside-out, and knows how it would all integrate, much time it might require to deploy and support it. Btw., currently, one working way for video creators to profit is to [sell ads](https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/72857) on YouTube channel. [ruta], [Luke]

[iulia-link] -- how do you see it working? Needs more detail on how your idea would actually work.

// It would be nice to be able to be able to nominate super-equity partners. I'd add you for that. // [Cabria], we can do that! Indeed, sometimes people come up with an idea in a collective conversation, so, there are situations when you want to have other people as idea owners as well. We'll do it :)

[Cabria], there are such companies! [Pact Publishing](https://www.packtpub.com/) for example. What is missing to consider this baked?

[Cabria], sorry. I thought about publishing. I remember _Google Books_ had previously offered the option to get books, which are out of print, printed, and delivered. I guess, they were using the [Espresso Book Machine](http://ondemandbooks.com/) ([video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXSaq9hLqNc)). Maybe there is an alternative to it, but to start such a company, I'd assume you'd have to lease or buy such a machine.

Ah, looks a lot like our project, but we don't yet support these features. It would require much work with law in many countries, etc... [Cabria] :) I'm thinking, once we have all tasks going, to integrate with [3D Study Maze](https://infty.xyz/idea/5/detail/) thing.

[Cabria], sure, will keep you informed :)

[Cabria], just let's leave a tag, like [marked-for-deletion] (redundant). Later, we can delete at some time in the future, when we have house cleanup. We should have some kind of house cleanup over time.

[ruta], good idea, which certainly is doable. So many statisticians, computer scientists and data scientists working on computer vision. What you need, is a higher resolution cameras on computers, or [existing solutions](http://www.tobii.com/PCEye2011) (tobii) to use your eyeballs as mouse.

[ruta], btw., be more specific in the naming, because this 'Online Behaviour Tracker' is very general, could refer to much more than eye-tracking. Maybe 'Online Reading Time and Topic Tracker'.

[ruta], originally, the difference between a project and an idea is that a project concerns specific group of people, using specific tools, trying to deliver specific deliverable. Just reducing the generality of an idea does not make it into a project. Adding concrete people and tools and scope does. Idea can be very specific and detailed, like a patent, but it is not a project without specific time and space, people, tools, scope in real world. :)

[Yuri-B], welcome to the Infinity Project! It seems like one of the solutions, of course, however, we have to be more specific, how people would make money via such initiatives. Could you elaborate? [iulia-link], mentioning you, as it is relevant to the problem you raised :)

[ruta], how the book would let people make money? Provide the choices? I've thought about something along the lines of introducing kids with all possible jobs when writing [this](http://old.mindey.com/ideju_dienorastis.htm#2005-06-11), however, I think just presenting all possible jobs is not a good way to facilitate thinking. Instead, it seems like a way to restrict thinking. Ah.. and, the whole 'Book on Future of Jobs' - very cliché idea. A problem? Just write a book on it. Not very creative, not a solution that would present some innovative new principle.

[ruta], and... would this idea solve the problem completely? An idea that qualifies for solution should solve the problem completely, with high probability of success. Even if such book existed, I think, this book alone would not solve the problem. Let's post systematic ideas that would actually completely solve a problem. Maybe this should be a rule on our idea posting?

// I added a different problem that relates to this idea more. // [ruta], where? link?

[ruta] > Also, we need a way of letting any user to flag content if an idea doesn't provide a solution to a problem, and encourage an idea owner to edit a problem or rewrite an idea. We have a task for this as well. Yes. > the meaning of _solution_ is not the same as of _idea_. How do people see both terms? Yes, people who need water come up with an idea to carry buckets, and that becomes a solution. We could define an idea as a general solution, that frees everyone from having to solve that problem ever again.

[ruta], > When people chat, what people can/should do next? Do people chat until they find the perfect solution to a problem or, chat until someone gets an idea, and then jumps into tasks and tries to implement it? On the problem page -- yes. However, we should not post arbitrary ideas, just because they _remotely seem_ to solve the problem. Post, when we have a brilliant idea. On the idea page, we should then talk more about the validity of the idea itself rather than search for ideas. > If this idea stays in the comments I and everyone will forget it. Nothing is forgotten here. :) Maybe we could make tags like [idea-here] for indexing little ideas.

[ruta], heatmaps are only a way to display the click density,... Your problem is to collect data points about the eyeballs first, and infer the actual words and topics read from that data, - the mouse pointer data, and other data.

[ruta], so you want a full-fledged hierarchical network? Well, sub-problems are easy to create by creating a foreign key to the problem itself. Just like we currently have with sub-works. However, this kind of structure would make the person who tries to understand the creation of something -- much harder work. Ideally, we want the problem solvers to do the work of breaking down the problem into sub-problems (e.g., milestones) that are exactly necessary and sufficient to solve the problem. This will make the structure clear and understandable for future learners. If the future learner will have to go through complex mazes of the thinking of original creator, it will make the learner's life harder...

On point -- people will not be able to share their know-how openly as long as they are paid by companies with intellectual property hiding policies. The idea of financial think-tank includes the rationale, that if we enable people to directly get paid in society, without intermediaries like companies, -- the society gets the know-how!

[ruta], very good observation. Indeed, selections during the reading could be used as data source, and a browser plugin could be made to collect that information on all websites you visit. Statistical models could be constructed to filter that information, but it would be much more accurate to have eyeball trackers, like the mentioned (tobii).

[ruta], this is an interesting thought! What materials would it be made from? Perhaps the first step is to make things like [muse](http://www.choosemuse.com/) itself transparent.

[Cabria], does [this](https://www.changetip.com/) look like 'Busker'?

[paulmwatson], when we are writing ideas in public, we expect something new, see our guidelines on [help](https://infty.xyz/help/): // Ideas [Solutions] - think like a halfbaker, nothing is impossible! Be speculative! // The ideas section is for innovation around problems. Yes, codes of conduct can be a solution mitigating intercultural misunderstanding (and thus, facilitating diversity), though they are widely known to exist, so, it's not a conceptually new thing.

Oh yeah, it's just as mentioned [make learning not a chore, make it as a computer game](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uegOUmgKB4E&t=52m59s).

[ruta], [shamkir], seems like this approach has found its way -- in the news [The FDA Just Approved One Cancer-Killing Virus. Expect More](http://www.wired.com/2015/10/fda-approves-first-virus-will-kill-cancer-cells/). :) I think, if a project is already existing, it would be nice to link it and make a virtual project (e.g., extra field .is_link (e.g., plan.is_link = True))... Wrote to possible tasks :)

Perhaps could use the connection, similar to which is used for the airplane mid-air refueling.

Is this description okay? :) Not sure yet. Seems like Stephen Wolfram thought of [something](https://youtu.be/TMviBl46dXg?t=582) like this.

Makes sense, but I have one problem with this, -- how do we define 'safely'? Who and how decides about the 'safely' component? Different countries of the world have their own definition of what is safe. Obviously, safety is what ascertains achievement of goals. Without knowing goals, we have no practical definition of safety.

[ruta], for writing the analysis scripts and keeping the analysis results on your own hard drives ;)

Looks useful :) However, an Idea is, as denoted in idea creation form is a Goal-less *principle* or *invention*. An Idea on Infinity is not a business idea -- not something to be worked, on, but something to be discussed about. If you want to write something to be worked on, a Plan may be a better content item to go with :)

So, this tracker would measure my blinking rate? How would you call it? Would you want to start a project based on this idea, called something like a BallTracker[TM], or something even more kicky? :)

// make information of the past, present, future universally accessible. // Looks like part of [Google's mission](https://www.google.com/about/company/). Question, regarding Google's mission -- what is meant by _universally useful_?

It would also be useful for people who want to move when connected to medical life support devices that are too large to be implanted. It would probably also be easier to cryopreserve people, if they are in standardized vehicles. It may also be under-estimated, how many physical injuries and infections could be prevented, if people used HiveCells for life ;)

It would be very easy to realize, if one had a database of said questions.

[PaulHDear], do you mind, if I link to your ideas from Halfbakery to here?

Could easily be done by an AI bot in existing secure meessengers, which you friend when you need debugging yourself. You could start from a rule-based system with a set of questions, and end up with something more advanced like a Bayesian net or a probabilistic program, enhanced with deep neural nets...

But you know, I would rather call it "strategic partnerships" or "knowledge exchange" or "consensual mutual supervision", or something else. A "coach" associates with "trainer", and _training_ associates which Pavlovian conditioning, which is a lower order mental activity than reasoning. Look what smart people say about learning -- _"stop learning, and start thinking"_ (TED, [Jacob Barnett](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq-FOOQ1TpE)). _Thinking together_ -- that's what I would call it.

Looks like there is already something related: [magnetic fields vibrates water to prevent damage of organs during freezing](http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/01/magnetic-fields-vibrates-water-to.html) (2011).

While good for cold climate zones, it is not suitable for hot climate zones. It could be, if we used induced electricity with Peltier thermoelectric cooling elements though.

Regarding the marketing aspects -- it is easy to spray washable dye on glass. Perhaps vacuum packaging might be a little of a problem, but we could use metal for that, couldn't we?

I guess, such daemon could only work with those phone or computer apps, which provide a local API to other applications on the system. Not all apps might need this. If an app has a public API, no need to query the device for information. The device daemons could only be useful for accessing things not available otherwise, e.g., apps that don't provide public API, things on the system like photos on the phone, which are not uploaded to any cloud services.

Looks like we've got progress in China: [building a sea lab 3km underwater in the South China Sea](http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-07/china-pushes-plan-for-oceanic-space-station-in-south-china-sea). Bloomberg writes: "The project was mentioned in China's current five-year economic plan released in March and ranked number two on a list of the top 100 science and technology priorities."

Great, and congratulations with the first idea on Infinity! :) I see several ideas in one - use most modern project management techniques, and create a government-run forum for feedback and complaints. The "Use the most modern project management techniques" is very vague, because it is not clear what is "the most modern". We had thoughts that "oh, you could use trello for government, you could use basecamp for public issues, etc.", or "you could use 'agile' for government projects," and so forth. However, a few years later "agile" is not modern anymore, and "basecamp" is replaced by new technology "X". So, it would be good if you can be more specific about this, because "use the best technology" is not an idea, it's a homework problem. Regarding the forum thing. So, essentially, a "government-run online feedback forum for complaints"?. Not a bad idea at all. In fact, I have had a bit similar idea by a friend of mine, recently expressed, as -- "**A complaints register!**" (allow citizens to easily and semi-automatically file legally binding complaints), and make the govt do what it is supposed to do. Complaints are, in fact, a supported form of feedback from citizens in many countries, that government officials are obliged to pay attention to, if the number of complaints reaches certain threshold.

Also, can you crystallize in more detail, how this would work in practice? Would the system transcribe all discussions in the houses of parliament, and make them available in this govt-run forum? How does that integrate with project management? How would this guarantee to solve the parent problem?

Bacterial contamination is just one type, there are other [types of food poisoning](http://www.aarogya.com/family-health/first-aid/types-of-food-poisoning.html). Moreover, the [food spoilage](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_spoilage) involves more than just bacteria -- enzymes, oxidation, mold, yeasts,...

I've renamed the idea from 'Hardware solution', because idea names have to be self-explanatory without context.

When writing ideas, write as if hey are new inventions. The thought "to communicate information" can be a part of brainstorming, but on Infinity, the solutions section is for ideas that have the degree of conceptualization, where you can put a name to it, something like a novel system, or a gadget. So, it could be "A SatNav that warns you of obstacles based on GPS data". Now, if you could go into more details of how it would work, this would be good for an idea on Infinity. :) Btw., I'm sure you are aware that the current traffic conditions are inferred exactly this way -- by signals from the mobile phone owners on the roads. I'm not sure if the update rate in the phones would be sufficient for a collision warning system though, and likely, you would need special equipment for the cars. How would this compare to the traditional radars?

Renamed this into a "System of wristbands to monitor employee stress, and provides rest". Goals titles are okay to be verbs, but ideas have to be nouns, as if they are invention names. (originally, was: "Allow people to produce as much work as they can manage, but not as much as the project requires")

This could be superceded by [HiveCells](https://infty.xyz/idea/16/detail/?lang=en), which would have the emergency systems embedded.

Since the brain region ([pontine tegmentum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontine_tegmentum)) responsible for consciousness has been [identified](http://www.sciencealert.com/harvard-scientists-think-they-ve-pinpointed-the-neural-source-of-consciousness?perpetual=yes&limitstart=1), it would also be important to target it.

Apparently, someone's working on something related:: ["Facebook will soon allow you to combine multiple posts into one story"](http://www.whatafuture.com/facebook-multiple-posts-stories/), or maybe they are following Infinity? Just apply [LDA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latent_Dirichlet_allocation), such a simple thing to do.

Interesting. Could these transceivers be also applied for very cheap communications on earth? Small lasers are cheap. {0.5} I think, the nano-transceivers could also have a specific design, so that the information could be transferred, e.g., via light polarization, so that the computing could be performed within SENTs as if they were a single Turing-machine.

[Divisor@EC9C06F0], so, did you take this idea any further? It basically makes sense, and a very interesting statistic to track with web cam on a personal laptop.

You mean, like a website, where you have a convenient form to fill out, pay a fee, and that opens a company in a country of your choice, and provides fully-automated accounting?

Well, recently saw the Auto-CPR approach ( check [https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6393926713293705216](https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6393926713293705216) ), looks way cheaper, probably something to have at every home.

Hey, [Yuri.Brigadir@8E326B69], > 3.) implementation of "lean" and "kanban" methodologies I imagine the whole parlaments going kanban? Oh, maybe :) The recent version of Infinity kind of goes that direction ( check out http://inf.li ). > Too many policies are discussed verbally, and this leads to emotional confrontation which makes some arguments invalid. Totally agree. That's again, what should happen. With the introduction of blockchain, I suppose, this would make it possible to just let people tell their opinions with public and cryptographically signed messages. The 2nd idea -- would be good to separate as separate as independent one.

[Tomas@9911CE3F], quick search turns up these numbers: > Calculating the exact number of wild animals on earth is difficult, but [estimates suggest](http://reducing-suffering.org/how-many-wild-animals-are-there/) that it is several orders of magnitude higher than humans and farmed animals combined. For every human on earth, there are at least 10 animals suffering in farms, and likely 1,000 to 100,000 wild vertebrates and plausibly 100,000,000 to 1,000,000,000 “bugs” (including creatures such as insects, spiders and earthworms). This means that even if these animals are on average experiencing more than 1/100,000,000th to 1/10,000,000th the suffering experienced by the average animal in a farm, the absolute amount of wild-animal suffering is greater. Reference: [Wild Animal Suffering Research](https://was-research.org/mission/)

How would such facilitation training work? And, how would one keep the facilitation politically neutral?

Yeah, but this doesn't explain how this kind of system could be constructed from organizational and technical side. Can you elaborate on that?

Looks a lot like what would be if we turned Infinity into a DAPP, except, no mention of the further structure. E.g., whats the most effective way to turn ideas into projects, or link ideas with problems, or execute the projects, etc. How such free market would manage projects. If it is a different currency per project, then it looks a lot like what we have on Ethereum via ERC20ies, and already exists.

Is it the idea to basically gamify global challenges by having states and cities join a social contract? How would we motivate that?

Who would invite the cities to start pledging part of their budget for that, and how would the invitations have to be framed to make them work?

Why 8? While 8 is more than 1, the number "8" looks arbitrary. What criteria would be chosen to determine the "commitment to ecological and social well-being," of the organizations? How would this be inclusive of emergent organizations, rather than just de-facto most powerful world's organizations?

Sounds a lot like series of funding, except, unlike in business, where we have private investors, this would be the one that's extension of UN? How is this new, sounds a bit more like perpetuation of the UN.

Very concrete. Would be interested in deeper analysis, how this new structure would affect overall ability to address the global risks.

While makes total sense, this assumes that the losses are net positive, and that we don't know who is going to be affected by the global catastrophic risks. If they are net negative (e.g., practically everyone loses), or it is known in advance, that e.g., the locations near the sea are going to suffer most due to the rising sea level and global warming, I think, this would make this kind of insurance scheme harder to implement.

What would be the optimal structure of the private-public ownership for such condominium law, for addressing the global catastrophic risks?

What would such social conditionality mean? Technology is double-edge sword, does that mean, that the patent owners would be able to restrict the use of technology for certain ranges of purposes? How would this relate to technology use by governments? Patents usually are not enforceable at government levels.

Nothing new these days? Not bored, when Halfbakery is down...?

In other words: [https://wiki.mindey.com/shared/shots/1017b5309975b3acc49290e02-on-importing-web-content.mp4](https://wiki.mindey.com/shared/shots/1017b5309975b3acc49290e02-on-importing-web-content.mp4). Further thoughts: [https://wiki.mindey.com/shared/shots/609ea329e0f97fa49e87c96e6-text-classifier-further-thoughts.mp4](https://wiki.mindey.com/shared/shots/609ea329e0f97fa49e87c96e6-text-classifier-further-thoughts.mp4).

Some kind of work result here... {1.5} h. Expect to spend {?2.5}

[Mindey@FE706DAF], That looks good. {0.5}

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[Transiency@0D38482D], Nice. yes, you can actually even comment your work. ;)

So, semantic web technologies -- overconstrained system?

[https://dynalist.io/d/5Toawz5uEuhZ3fNUns3ouSpA](https://dynalist.io/d/5Toawz5uEuhZ3fNUns3ouSpA).

Actually, the above does not describe how we would organize that index of entities; how much storage it would require to index them, and to reason with respect to those indices.

What's great about this idea, is that the default meanings are already known to people, so, one can expect people to be able to use it immediately to communicate.

Related protocols: - [DID](https://w3c-ccg.github.io/did-spec/)s - [DCAT](https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/)s

Maybe there should be also research tax, cause researchers (esp. in public universities) create good for the public.

Umm, there is a package now, that can be tested with: Try `pip install metaform`, and then <pre> import metaform metaform.load({ '*': 'https://github.com/mindey/terms/wiki/person#foaf', 'url': 'http://dbpedia.org/resource/John_Lennon', 'fullname': 'John Lennon', 'birthdate': '1940-10-09', 'spouse': 'http://dbpedia.org/resource/Cynthia_Lennon' }).format() </pre>

[Transiency@0D38482D], [+] :)

hello {1.5}. {?3.5}

This actually is worth trying. Very little effort is required, to pull data from [WikiData](https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page), and a bit of compute/memory, to have a usable thing.

Most of deaths are because of lack of oxygen, so, an indicator in the case of very large spectrum of issues.

Exactly, what we're trying to achieve here now, at [infinity.family](https://infinity.family)

欢迎来都 Homebase 在 Infinity Family 宇宙飞船～不错的想法！但是，这些模块应该有什么大小呢？在城市里，平时人已经有公寓，没有地皮。那么这个想法是不是对农村人口吗？但是，农村人口没有平时没有超市吧？还是有？我好奇。时间是 UTC 的。我们需不需要在这里有个“评价”的功能吗？

以后可以。这是临时性的不方便性。就是，希望快点开始实用系统，重用了 Admin 功能而已。慢慢的会改为独特的用户界面里的表格。

这些模块已经存在，高层建筑物用的。比如，那个武汉医院建设为什么那么快呢？是因为大模块。但是大模块很重。你没想过如何我们在家里可以从宠物瓶塑料创造这些乐高吗？

[chronological], first of all, big welcome to Homebase! Hope you find the place fun and entertaining. It's amazing to have you here! Let me check this out.

Well, how many systems can we afford to have safely be turned off, and have the society still function? I think that's one of the questions we should ask, as humanity and peoples.

// Living documents are the idea of intra document CMS that features the insertability of arbitrary data formats and provides integrations between inserted content blocks. It's a general purpose data structure editor. // Very good concept. However, imagine now that there do exist other systems, outside your internal system, and you want to control them via your internal system. How can you do? The metaform approach results in creating something I call a metadrive (it's among projects under this idea, not in "published" state though). The concept is that if we have drivers for other systems, we could simply mount them to our system. Mount anything, -- e.g., linkedin, or youtube, or something more advanced, and let it become your internal data structure. In practise, I think what's needed for this to happen, is something like Darklang, but better be open source. Check [Darklang](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDg6Ko9gbGk). P.S. I'll fix the markdown, very soon. :)

Well, I have a friend, he actually wrote here one of the goals ("categories"), namely [this](https://infinity.family/intent/107/an-economic-system-that-frees-humanity-from-unnecessary-suffering-and-meaningless-work#1582926195) one, and he's working on hypergraphs, his database works like a generalized hypergraph. It's on [GraphBrain.net](http://graphbrain.net). He's shown me some pretty amazing demos, that remind yours. Overall, we seem to have quite similar interests it seems, just not yet very so mutually-coordinated.

We could approach that, but do we have something that makes a half-baked idea description without a story plot into a story plot? Currently, it is other people that do it, by putting some thought into it, and creating fun story-lines from an abstract thought, not computers yet.

I have actually recently created this [Issue on GitHub](https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/82084). Essentially, VSCode could replace Workflowy and Dynalist locally. Being well funded open source project, it's among the few alternatives I see.

Finally, the markdown is fixed, and you can take a look better, hopefully, more understandable. The concept of metaformat is actually very deep. I had written a gitbook on it [here](https://book.mindey.com/metaformat/0001-metaform-philosophy/0001-metaform-philosophy.html). More generall, what needs to be done, is theoretically extract the equivalence classes for polycontext metasymbols. Practically, many drivers need to be written and supported for the systems that we want to make interoperative. **In short term,** work that needs to be done includes: _recognition of field names and the formats of data types and measure units, from larger set of data annotations created for datasets using metaformat. Call it **'autoformat'**: -see a dataset -> automatically generate metaformat description- :)_

N2 tuples are enough. You can define N3 tuple as two N2 tuples.... Or, you meant [Notation3](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notation3) format?

[chronological], me as well. Among the most generic UIs that I've seen so far, are that of [dynalist](https://dynalist.io) for unstructured data, and [airtable](https://airtable.com) for structured (tabular), relational-database-like data. However, neither of them are good enough for complex hypergraphs, I suppose. It may be something like a power-mode extension for chromium :)

So, how do we define [communionism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communionism) (Wikipedia)?

Isn't Wiktionary (linked) -- such an attempt? Like Wikipedia, it is liberally and openly editable by users. It even has an [API](https://en.wiktionary.org/w/api.php), so one could imagine making a bot, that introduces words by analyzing world's web content.

// You did not define what is Togetherism here. In a sense I did, *"thinking and deciding together."* We are the borg.

You mean, like, posting without usernames? Maybe. We actually can try that. Mindey surreptitiously opens a new publicly anonymously editable page of Dynalist, and adds it as a link. (See links).

If anyone's curious. What I'm trying to do right now, is to make at least one full order, where the shopping experience would feel good. So, thinking of modal windows both for product previews on the eXchange, and also, by clicking on the produce items in the project view. [Modals](https://getbootstrap.com/docs/4.0/components/modal/), cause that works. One thing that worries about them though, that they require JavaScript. So probably we can sacrifice that, by loading it in the "Exchange," cause that's supposed to be a modern experience, and avoids jumping forward and back (to product and back to search results). So far, only technical matters in the making even a single croissant for sale on Homebase.

那么，假设有两个海豚，和两个车辆，为了他们的互相通信可能需要超声对讲机，还是特别的橡胶玻璃，为了可以用超声看声音的回声？

// By all means :-) It's sad to see you go, Max... So, I am thinking of bringing your ideas to life here, to change the future and past, and actually getting them realized through a similarly fun process, that they were discussed. And I'm hearing you saying, _do so, by all means._

// A company can have facets of other companies running through it. It can, in many ways. For example, one company (e.g., company=government), can provide a platform for companies to function. Other companies are simply functioning as subsidiaries, and others still -- provide part of the ecosystem that governments do not provide, for example, co-working spaces, web assets, like block-chain infrastructures, and so on. All that being true, we're searching, I think, for a good mix, that would enable our community to function perfectly fine, even on an isolated island, or on Mars, providing the basic economic services, like a normal country or a union would. The way I see the generation of stocks right now though, is the same as products, -- i.e., a project can issue its stocks as products, for investors to buy.

May be useful even for making order in our [categories](/intents/tree) for imported data even here, on 0 -> oo :)

Aww, was this like "Low Energy + Website" + GUIDE? So +GUIDE (in a google doc) = idea? We could put +GUIDE for whatever problem, and will immediately become an idea? It's more a request for solution than a solution, thus, I'd suggest having this as a category. An idea should present some actual method, not a combination of two concepts (in this case "Low Energy Website" + "Guide"). How this is better than all other methods? Why not a video? Having it in google docs, would also be limiting, as for example, they are not accessible in some countries, so not a very universal way either. Suggest moving it to Category...

I've seen a camera, i.e., [GetNarrative](http://getnarrative.com), but it definitely does not support typing or sketching notes (though can record video and audio). So, how would such a jewelry support those features like sketching and taking notes?

Deja, nuorodoje (真的有鱼车！) auksinė žuvelė nėra tokia protinga kaip delfinas :)

Taip, bet delfino navigacijos principai galėtų skirtis. Pvz., delfinas turi pažengusius echolokacijos centrus, ir akustinės moduliacijos gebėjimus, todėl galėtume įsivaizduoti kitus kontrolės mechanizmus, nesiremiančius kompiuterine CV technologija. Be to, delfinui tikriausiai labiau patiktų turėti tokio automobilio kontrolę uodegos ir kūno jėgų perdavimo būdu, t.y., jausti, kad jis kontroliuoja automobilį tarsi su vairalazde, konkrečiau, ir jausti savo judėjimo jėgų ryšį su automobilio trajektorija. Vandens sluoksnis tarp kūno ir automobilio veikia kaip amortizatorius, ir neperduoda informacijos apie pagreičio pokyčių subtilybes, kas apsunkintų mokymąsį.

This perhaps should be turned into a category, as it only provides a concept, rather than method.

Currently, while importing datasets, started using it, auto-generating categories for sources, like so: `Y:IDEA:TRP:NTRS`, to refer to [NASA Technical Reports Server](https://www.sti.nasa.gov).

Well, main feature would be that it would not be connected to the cloud, so, it's just your very -puter, and you could delete the collected data/model, and start from scratch, or modify the model. // Go with your shadow ... Comparison to a shadow may be good indeed though, -- what was the movie [Omniscient](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11542920/), wasn't it? Though, the problem was the central computer. The reflectoputers wouldn't have that.

// Does it mean non-connected artificial intelligence? Indeed so! It would work without sending data to the Internet. However, it would download the pre-trained models, and I think the actual user should be able to share parts of the newly learned model of their selves if they wanted to. However, no out-going communication would be happening on behalf of the program.

Hi [Kocmoca], and welcome to Homebase! :) // First, for example, I don't want to be notified every time I get a message, I would like it to use "auto-reply". Fair enough. We want to maximize our free time. And yet, as you mention, also maximize uniqueness, -- so that others do get the value. Agreed. Which means, the model should get pretty darn good at figuring out what parts of existing knowledge base it should send as a response. All valid points.

Could this be like **mass producer guilds?**, presenting capabilities they have, to encourage innovation. Cause, pooling resources is not about money, but more about resources -- machines, materials, people -- that are available in locations. Sounds like _re-invograting_ local creativities~ So, how would these centers be run? How they are different from hackerspaces? For me, it would be fun, if local manufacturers could come, and present their resources, and allow people innovate regarding new products, that those resources could be put to use to produce. Usually, hackerspaces are made, and left function like playgrounds, but what we need for those **ideas to scale, is the touch with actual mass-production capabilities** presented by industry, showing up, and saying -- we're here, and help us imagine what else we could make.

*// People use this app to get inspired from diverse pool of strangers, publish inspirations (photos of personal notes and clips of other website's text/images) [...] in public boards [...]* Sounds like network of personal boards. So, profiles. It's what social nets had since early days, but they didn't focus on prototyping. So, would this be, in principle, a social net, for prototyping? *// [...] I get content recommendations. [...]* How would these recommendations be generated? Being that recommendations are essential part of the success of social web service providers, even Google, YouTube, etc., the quality of recommendations is the reason why something succeeds or not. For example, Peter Diamandis had recently launched [FutureLoop](https://www.futureloop.com/), which does essentially nothing **but** recommend news. The recommendation engine may be essential, but without specifying how it would do those recommendations, it may be hard to judge how would this network evolve / succeed.

Those who have **cars** and good **mobile internet access** may have not noticed the problem, but for those, who are on a bike or on feet, finding a silent and private place to work is a problem: _most cafes are not silent, and not private, not really suitable for work._ Rentable offices are not abundant and ubiquitous. So, I see the problem. However, to make such "work stops" ubiquitous, you'd need to seed a large number of them, across country, and you risk that still, people will bump into times, when locating one is an issue. How many such stops would we need? So, not sure if this would be a real solution. Would any of the concept cars (like [this Mercedes](https://youtu.be/IWB4xj7EILg?t=198)), with "summon on demand" function, -- be able to replace such work stops? Or, what about noise-cancellation devices, like noise-cancelling earphones and noise-cancelling speaker (like [hushme](https://youtu.be/pH9jkng9fM8?t=11)), and a privacy screen (like [this one](https://youtu.be/xQ_pkWzy0_o?t=139), using polarized glasses), allowing to convert any cafe with a good table into a silent one, suitable for work? As for the extension of libraries, I'd like to share experience -- in Japan, it is normal to study a lot, and university libraries don't close at night, so you can enter a library at any time. In addition, in Japan, the **Manga Cafes** (see link below your post) are common, and provide pretty much what you're describing. So, it's invented, just not popular in the West. Duh, it makes me want to go back to Japan...

// Government sets aside a billion pounds from general taxation to pay for these essential workers, to invest in the common folk and boost their income. // So as simple as that -- Occam's razor, just set aside. Alright, but would one billion be enough, and for what period of time? What's the math of it? I.e., how sustainable is it. Also, while calling it "Social credit system" -- we'd expect some more explanation, of the current level of incomes and the expected high level of incomes, with such system in place.

Right. I'm waiting for the numbers. Perhaps public services sector statistics could tell, cause I'm not so sure, how many people would fall into these categories today, say, in the UK I presume.

There is something more to consider. Today, we have companies deep-learning specific models to answer specific questions. For example, identity and face recognition models, weather models, etc., and these specific models are being used as a resource by integrative decision systems to make decisions. So, just like we had layers of abstraction while building network protocols one upon another (e.g., [layers in OSI model](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model)), we could actually have standards for deep-learned models, build social AI from ground up, combining multiple standardized AI models. Having versioned and standardized machine-learned models would allow us to work on specifying the qualities and blind-spots of these models, and take actions to confidently version, incrementally improve, and use them in derived applications. For example, imagine that definition of a concept "Manga" is defined not by a dictionary, but by an ANN, like [Manga GAN](https://towardsdatascience.com/mangagan-8362f06b9625), and becomes something like an ISO standard model of what "Manga" looks like. Many AI systems are already versioned, like, for example Google Translate, and the properties of them are known. So, think of many concepts and complex phenomena that we build AI models of, and standardize. Perhaps this comment merits a separate post, of an idea of ISO standardization for AI models.

Usually, businesses want to charge the clients as much as possible, so, the knowledge of the buyer's purchasing power, is what every business is actively seeks to know. Also, every business tries to maximize sales, even at a lower price. So, something like this already happens naturally, when companies choose to export the surplus of their production to countries with lower income levels.

Btw., assuming that each protocol is defined by the application itself, and protocols are simply the patterns of certain common applications (think, aMule and `ed2k://`, Telegram and `tg://`, etc.), and considering the general trend of browser running WebAssembly, that will allow to run any applications on web browser, those applications could naturally become supported in browser windows. This is ok, but that means making browser more heavy as a client in general, and I'm not sure if this is what we want. Another, is through building clients to support browsing resources all of those protocols, as a "browser" plugin.

Well, the idea is something like that. Well, we could choose a set of closest galaxies to do that.

LMC is probably too near, and thus may be considered dangerous to message to. And,... if we send the most useful information for survival of information, would we call this -- intergalactic love, as there actually may be a [common goal](https://blog.mindey.com/2017/01/03/escaping-entropic-black-hole-together/#commongoal) of preserving information. Additionally, if we do start think together as a civilization, what to send to the future civilizations, it may help us as a civilization politically.

A few worthwhile comments, from HB: **[beanangel]:** It is a fun way to look at things, but I am confused. What if you make two of the entropy balls at a distance to the other making a gravityless laGrange point? That would seem to be a place to store data absent entropy. The thing is, that locating something between two entropy sources does not seem like it would preserve data. One possibility is that if the balls were constructed one bit out of synchronization with each other and then when a bit was pulled from 1 to 0 by one of the balls, the other ball would push it from 0 to 1. The thing is though then they wouldn't be entropy balls and it might only work on things that were 1 bit big, or however many bits fit on a surface between the two balls. **[2 fries shy of a happy meal]:** So... if I've got this straight, (no bets on that mind you), given the many worlds interpretation every 'instant' of every possibility is a slide in an infinite slide show and so it should be possible to... encapsulate information in entropy-less bubbles to escape being lost to the flow of time? Is that right? **[Mindey]:** I suppose so, and these entropy-less bubbles might be the laGrange points between the universes in orbit around each others. So, whatever information source actually can be thought of entropy source, following a certain probability distribution, and it's attraction may be thought of a "distributional drag" (any information source within the influence range of another information source may be affect to drag to acquire the pattern of that other source, similar to how [acculturation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acculturation) happens in social circumstances). The LaGrange points may exist, when there is pseudo-random pattern interferences, or a stable pattern-engendering probability-distributional drags. (So that what one distribution tends to always take, another distribution tends to always give, and so we could have a stable boundary pattern between them, larger than 1 bit.)

[Inyuki]さん、リンクありがとう。でも、リンクでの aboardtheworld.com は本当にカスタム「ビル」に似ているとは言えない、それで、注文も大勢の人が一緒に出来るとは言えないかも。

And, [here](https://wiki.mindey.com/shared/shots/c0ae1cade031b4c29650e9ddc-wind-rose-of-happiness.mp4)'s a video on basic usage.

It looks like the [Nimb](https://nimb.com) rings are very close from usability standpoint, and [Beurer PO60](https://www.oxigo.co/en/beurer-po60-pulse-oximeter.html) looks very close from functionality point of view. Would be interesting to see, what could be achieved collectively.

Isn't there such a thing already, e.g. in the U.K., we have some standardization of salaries for different education levels, specialties and roles. I'll have to look up for the legal documents, but quick search returns [payscale.com](https://www.payscale.com/research/UK/Country=United_Kingdom/Salary). So, while this may be known, do you have more specifics, of what should be the pay distributions? And, btw., how would we deal with the reality, that different circumstances make people value things differently. For example, a surgery may have a huge (life-or-death) value to people, and yet, the social benefits systems working like insurance achieve the reasonable or zero prices on those events. And, it's a bit like a sub-goal, rather than a method?

It is noteworthy, that, while the telecommunications technology is a _communication_ rather than _computation_ technology, it not only empowers humans to communicate and decide together, but also machines. Things like keyboards, hand tracking devices, and ultimately [BCI](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain–computer_interface)s on the other hand are empowering only humans to communicate. This distinction may be important to note, when prioritizing the technologies to focus on.

Of course, there will be comments saying, that people should have to consent to their data, using OAuth, or cryptography and tokenomic decentralized computing with permissioning. I'm of course aware of these methods, and it would be great if hospitals managed their data in those standard ways. However, there are certain consents that people do through giving rights to governments in exchange for social value, because it's more efficient than asking for consents on a case-by-case basis. What this idea is proposing, is that such medical research is one of such cases, because aging and death is the common enemy of us all -- we could quickly discover patterns of and best treatment strategies by systematically and massively cooperating for this by default. The risk perhaps should be estimated as the cost of extra loss of some privacy to the gain in treated diseases and life years of people survived longer as a result.

It makes sense to me, and relates to the idea of [consumer price breakdown requirement](/method/722/). How do you see it implemented? Would displaying the entire supply chain, on the wrapping of the product do it? For example, in case of a food product, -- not just the price, manufacturer and nutrients, -- but the entire story, and how related agents will benefit from my purchase. I certainly think this information would affect purchasing patterns, but how would you compact that all information onto the products? While we could just add proper QR-codes, leading to web addresses with explanations, people like the convenience of not having to scan every item with their phones. In that case, would some kind of elaborate color-coding for initial screening while strolling or scrolling through marketplaces, do it, or how do you imagine it?

// funds a set of activities or programmes Hmm. This actually go much deeper than one might anticipate -- activities or programmes -- tend to have all aspects of volition and cognition as well. Will we not require the entire f(x)=y to wrap it? :) It looks like it's what we'd naturally have by having products on 0oo, because products here are connected to projects, and them with ideas and goals... by buying on 0oo, one would naturally see supply network that one's supporting.

[transiency] so, the surveillance cameras should point to skies, when idle? :)

That makes me think, that this is how internet search should work -- you specify what is your current condition, and what is your target conditions (what you're trying to achieve), and the ? -- is the driving directions, or sequence of hints, that the search engine should provide to get you there. To be able to do that, it actually does require to have information about your current situation. Most search engines do that automatically, as we use a plethora of their services (in case of Google). So, they know what situation each person is in. Now, the task is to figure out what each person actually wants to happen in their lives ^__^ and provide search results with that context in mind, to make it happen... What could possibly go wrong?

Would that extend to all autonomous agents? How would this file be updated, would it have encrypted sections? What would be the language to describe those needs? Are those would be limited to the operations available by various standardized systems, or have a more vocabulary to describe more abstract wants? I so see this used by advertisers... it's like big ASK with lots of bidders.

Hmm. What I like about this idea, is that suddenly, everyone would start showing their wants publicly, so they would become more transparent, and helpful. :) But what about secret desires that people don't want to necessarily make public? Also, how far would this extend? Countries and organizations also often have their domains. Would domains replace markets (=become decentralized internet of wants)?

// "Everybody generally wants the same things" Yes and No. At certain level of abstraction -- yes: for example, everybody wants one complex condition satisfied (call this "happiness"), which is the same for everyone, but consists of many conditions to be satisfied ("experiences": "health", "relationships",...), which are not exactly the same, but we can find [similarities](https://0oo.li/method/955/). Due to those similarities, systematic cooperation must be possible, which we do see in a variety of collaborations actually happening in the world. // Make manifestos that describe what everybody wants I think you already had a particular instance of this idea when describing the specific instance of it -- [wantsfiles](https://0oo.li/method/973/wantsfile-at-root-of-domain), and how they would work. So, what would this be? Would this be written in legalese, or yaml? Or any language or format, and then auto-aligned with formats mapper like metaformat? But if you're so general, I could say that surveys exist (well, more often customer surveys, rather than surveys from the world engineers asking us what world we'd like to live in), and what we currently have is tracking (people telling what they want implicitly, through their behaviors, cause it's automatic, and people are lazy -- so, unless this writing of people's manifestos becomes some kind of school homework globally, or a form of communication (like in the wantsfiles), I don't see people naturally thinking to write such manifestos -- they have got to be pragmatic).

And, I bet you already have a project on that! [+].

//Video on Cymatics and example on Dolphins Seeing Sounds That video made me wonder: are they speaking in rapid successions of what I would call hologlyphics (holographic hieroglyphics), modulated by intermediate syntactic signals. A note on portal design choice: perhaps these portals could have not only public channel, but directional (e.g., fanning out if pod is circular) access booths for private 1-1 communication, that would allow each dolphin to swim to a specific portal (the portals could be numbered with light-based signs, e.g., a human letter with a digit), and that way choose to interact with another specific dolphin at the other end.

Update: after contacting with a few researchers so far, there is a definite concern about the details of how the so-called "exchange" could happen, because doing this exchange may equate to "kidnapping" in some circumstances, and that is definitely not what we want. So, while the "how exactly?" -- what are these preparations -- part of the "exchange" is still a question, I guess, among the most natural and sound ways would be, if the experiment happened as a natural extension of letting dolphins play with our tools, like boats that would have one communication portal with the rest of the pod, -- the boat that could be used for fun and would continue driving forward, until they decide to stop with a special sign meaning "come back" as a collective decision of the dolphin's own desire and the voices from the pod members. Later, replacing the "boat" with an airplane, with the abort option always left up to the dolphins.

// Can computers do this? Symbolic reasoning? Depends on what is x and y in "x ? = y". If they are numbers or some low complexity objects, then computers can do this (it is sometimes called [entity grounding](https://web.archive.org/web/20141130194155/http://tedsider.org/teaching/ground/HO_entity_grounding_and_truthmaking.pdf)). For example, it is easy to imagine how computers can do search for path, like [technological method](https://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Technology_20Maps_20_99), in a similar way how it searches for driving directions. However, if x and y are non-trivial (having vague features or vague value dependency on feature combinations (that can only be evaluated by a human looking at it and using one's value system to feel about it), or computationally complex, or not fitting into memory), then computers usually can't do it, unless you think of entire universe and humans as computers, which is probably not what you meant by "computers" :)

What shall we call this? Basic life intel? Regarding jobs, in all likelihood, you are better off with remote and long-distance these days, unless you are looking for job as workout. ;)

Opportunity: use brilliant.org problems, khanacademy.org videos, combined with secondlife.com-like environment with puzzles to go through. Idea: make a meeting between these organizations, include decentraland. Additionally, [Dual Universe](https://www.dualuniverse.game) seem to be a good match.

[Cookiecutter](https://github.com/cookiecutter/cookiecutter#cookiecutter) for business? That could be a good part of knowledge graph about procedural knowledge. Also, linked business guides idea, that we had. Having reliable procedures that work can reduce risk to all kind of investors, and really, a good thing. The problem is that many of these "great practises" are either locked behind the "catch 22" that you're talking about in your idea description on HB.

// Ko tam trūksta? Galimybės vaikams užsiregistruoti į bet kurio iš universitetų paskaitas :) Mano pavyzdys 1998 metais -- būdamas mokyklos moksleivis užsiregistravau į VU paskaitas. Vartotojo patirtis -- buvo sunku atrasti tas paskaitas, reikėjo ieškoti, kur sumokėti, daryti bankinį pavedimą... Šiandien galima būtų paprasčiausiai pasinaudoti web technologijomis, pasirašyti sutartis su švietimo institucijomis, kurios leistų list'inti jų paskaitas, ir leisti bet kam iš visuomenės užsiregistruoti į bet kurio universiteto bet kokią paskaitą per tokią registracijos sistemą. Tuomet, būtų galima prašyti valstybės sumokėti už paskaitas tam tikroms grupėms, už kurių edukaciją valstybė jau moka -- vaikus, studentus,... (pvz., nupirkdama nemokamų studijų kuponus)

How is this different from how the world works today, or how smart contracts work today with oracles? The world already has all kind of services (including physical) callable via APIs. Imagining all of that integrated is good, and is happening too -- APIs aggregators do it. How this is different from [network of functions](https://0oo.li/method/222/network-of-functions) idea? Implementation of these things via APIs is ugly, because there are different standards, and nobody agrees on a single one, so we need drivers that would drive APIs at the operating system level (as described in the metadrive idea). But this, does this present a new method to get this happen? If so, where's the description of the actual method of this idea?

// Integrated payments and invoicing. // Integrated market research market for purchase. // MRSGREN Look no further than [OpenERP](https://www.odoo.com/) :) It actually provides all those things that we find on the cloud as simple OpenSource business operations software to do all things that business needs from A to Z running on PostgreSQL, so organization can breathe. And yes, there also exists a cloud version of it.. It would be nice to have convert it into a "generalized peer" that can meaningfully talk with all other systems regardless of their protocols, currencies, networks... Think of it as open source "business operating system".

// 0oo could be the place where this happens ;-) Well, 0oo DB model is very suited for that of course, but even I think of decentralization, and having people own their "business operating system", and having 0oo as a lightweight entry point to the ecosystem. I.e., focusing on 0oo primarily on two tasks: "sharing thoughts" + "registering works", and getting all of that in fact linked from other systems. So, for example, if you did some works in your private ERP, or task management systems, you could link that up to 0oo for sharing with others here, and the 0oo would correctly pick that up and include it in your public ledger under that project, e.g., such as your company. This way, everyone's privacy would be preserved, and this place itself would be just one of the places to discuss and evaluate information about the aggregations of business operations (ledgers of operations -- both financial and not).

But this is how APIs work already, that almanac is called "documentation" and it is already often machine-readable (read [the core protocols](https://thecoreprotocols.org) and [open api](https://www.openapis.org)?). Well, they have a limitation, they do not return vocabularies associated with their object types, and Mime-Types or Content-Types are not sufficiently informative. They could, if those APIs returned JSON-LD respones, or simply decorating their responses with metaformat's [polycontext metasymbol](https://0oo.li/method/863/metaformat) would be enough to bind them to schemas defined in concepts also linked via polycontext metasymbol, and everyone could reason about everything while retrieving data about everything, traversing APIs. A bunch of existing solutions that require human work, and already work (they are called expert systems) for this wishful thinking to get realized, because there exists a lot of not very well documented software, where software types are poorly linked with ontological (linguistic) types. To create that linguistic connect so that everyone could auto-generate queries in numerous databases just by thinking that one would want to know something, will require the training of an AI system to map it from human examples. There are a couple of layers: - synonyms that are part of human language - concept IDs (that you can find in Wikidata) - class names (that you can find in OOP software) - table names (that you can find in databases) All of that, can be beautifully linked up by defining a single good [polycontext metasymbol](https://0oo.li/method/863/metaformat) (I think we should come up with and evolve the polycontext metasymbol for humanity, in a similar way that we evolve protocols, through RFCs), and that would allow to eventually have that desired property of being able to reason this way, really transcendentally, in all protocols and with all information systems.

When you define conditions, you gotta remember that there needs to be an executor that always tries to read the state and make sure that it is satisfied like a goal condition. The very reason why many companies exist, is to be good at being those executors. :)

// But they still have to be explicitly coded. But what you propose (the thesaurus and an almanac of system functionality) would also have to be explicitly coded, wouldn't it? You say: "A system should publish an endpoint that is an almanac of system functionality, that is, every endpoint it has, a thesaurus of keywords used to access that endpoint and a thesaurus of operations that it supports." You need to code those systems to publish their functionality, so you'd have to modify every system that has functionality, to be able to publish it. How would your approach avoid this need for explicit coding to modify those systems to publish descriptions of themselves to the "thesaurus and an almanac"?

Standardization of job type wage lower-bounds through public voting? It's price-setting through voting? Interesting, it's democracy against letting free market set its prices? What could be the implications?

I would so vote for upper bound of salaries for footballers :)

I see, where you're going with this. Yes, we need such an index, need to know what is the set of all required jobs. But, what if we could load up programs (like Neo in "The Matrix" has loaded Kong-Fu), and change specialty dynamically from recordings of the skillsets? It's probably indexing skillsets is what's more important than indexing jobs.

Many ideas on improving social media time-line sharing: 1. Time-sticky posts in other people's timelines, in proportion of how long the poster hasn't posted... (i.e., filling up attention time credit) 2. Auto-combining posts in timeframes, if there are too many posts from a single poster too close in time. 3. Using text summarizers for combined posts (like with gensim / LDA). 4. Limiting number of posts per time-frame per user (i.e., slow tweeting). 5. Filter posts from friends by topic, for example, read only math posts, not cooking posts.

// Businesses would pop up due to programmatic rules. Oh nice. So, let's say I want to run a cafe, that sells authentic food, practically, what do I do as a business developer powered by such business cloud?

Frankly, this just needs to contact potential contractors, and get the estimates for free, then get someone to pay for construction. Sometimes simply reaching out as a potential customer is half way to realization.

So, how do you think of getting that done? A letter to the organizers? How is election process is formally defined? Does it need to be in the constitution?

Usually manufacturing hubs are co-located for a reason: the simplification of supply chain. Now, if you make people not move, the things gotta move instead, and you're tasked with improving their logistics. Perhaps some type of fast conveyor tubes transporting parts of equipment between cities could do it. It would be interesting to do some economic modelling on that.

My eyes long for the light of Pollux :) There's many ways in which surface fluorescence and noble gases can be mixed to create lamp colors approximating specific stellar spectra, and that would certainly be a fun way to refer to lamps :)

Something like this seem to be happening naturally in Japan and some other places already? Although, probably not so much in the leadership direction, but entrepreneurship and self-expression.

[Inyuki], yeah, that's significant mass, but considering that Starship will be able to lift approx. 100 metric tonnes to orbit, this will look feasible with a couple of Starship launches... So, all the focus to the Starship.

It would be quite boring to specialize in such a narrow domain, wouldn't it? So, how would the specialist treat themselves? Not being specialist is the option I see.

Well, let's think: where does the data collected in the elevators go? What data processing does go through? That can indicate, what kind of effects one can expect to achieve through data inputs there.

Yeah, but that's already outside of the scope of the idea. To discuss that, it would merit creating a question, like "Privacy and Safety in Public Spaces," and discuss it there. Perhaps, we could have masks with LED screens, and voice recognition, like gethushme.com, where you whisper, and the mask speaks for you :) Or, you could program something to say in advance.

This game could simulate buying equipment from Amazon, Alibaba, etc., to have that equipment pop into the game as virtual objects that can operate on virtual matter, that way teaching kids, how one things can be converted to others, using tools: so that they are more likely to buy those tools when they grow up. It could even help companies sell things, as this buyers could prototype their set ups in virtual world before buying.

Right, but how would such API be designed. For example, [Solid](https://solid.mit.edu) by Tim Berners' Lee et. al. are trying to achieve something like that. Alternative P2P approaches, like [GunJS](https://gun.eco) are trying to realize something of a browser LocalStorage-based decentralized database, where, however, privacy can be achieved through encryption provided within the stack. Another approach is the OAuth2.0, that already realizes the universal permissioning on all kind of APIs within a machine or a network, by providing a way to generate permission tokens. It solves the complicated matters of a multitude of resources that any internet user may have. So, being that people already use this idea, how would this idea contribute to the solution of the privacy problem? How would this "Data hub" actually function?

Wow, that is so cool! This is idea has in it more than meets the eye. Addressing the unfairness requires seeing it in the first place, and could lead to changes. Something like a stackoverflow for issues of unfairness?

Like a progress bar for searchable index of the web and intelligence? Knowledge horizon expands as we investigate it. For some datasets its easy to: for example, get a list of all world's cars registered, or all world's human individuals registered. For others, it's not - get a list of all bottles ever produced? All instances of coherent thought? Google had set out to index all world's information -- it may be they have this percentage completed index internally. It would be good to have it public, like is the Internet Archive?

// Mom human contact as a service... Perhaps something like [Buurtzorg](https://youtu.be/gcS04BI2sbk?t=1580) governing structure be good for such service providers to self-organize into a kind of purposeful movement. // spreading healthy bacteria between humans And which would be the healthy ones? (Do we have a database of benign bacteria?). How would the Mom service deliver them? (Benign bacteria in one location may not be benign in another). Or, are you meaning "bacteria" figuratively rather than literally?

So, your hypothesis is that all organisms have: 1. Movement 2. Respiration 3. Sensing 4. Growth 5. Respiration 6. Excretion 7. Eating 8. (Nutrition) I see where the hypothesis comes from, but had you tried to abstract it further, for example: "respiration", "eating" and "excretion" share the same quality, in that "inhalation" is "eating of air" and "exhalation" is "excretion of air", and thus, we are left with fewer aspects. 1. Movement 2. Sensing 3. Growth 4. Excretion 5. Eating 6. (Nutrition) Had you thought that "Growth", as a broad concept, includes the results of processes coded in the rest as natural consequence, and thus is redundant? 1. Movement 2. Sensing 3. Excretion 4. Eating 5. (Nutrition) Had you thought that "Nutrition" similarly is summarized by "Eating" and "Excretion", if they are thought of as balance at various levels? 1. Movement 2. Sensing 3. Excretion 4. Eating Had you noticed that "Movement" and "Sensing" both share non-material-ness (i.e., exchange of force)? Had you noticed that "Excretion" and "Eating" both share material-ness (i.e., exchange of matter)? Why not to summarize that interface in the following terms instead: 1. Input (Eating, Sensing) 2. Output (Excretion, Movement) 3. Force (Movement, Sensing) 4. Matter (Eating, Excretion) ?

// human creativity // Or, octopus creativity? :)

// app that quizes you This sorta reminds my old idea, [this one](https://0oo.li/method/1017/web-based-peoples-self-organization-tool), except, yours is more direct and a bit intrusive: you know what happened with quizzes on Facebook, and the personality profiling? The political campaign ads were targeted with laser precision. :) By "a bit intrusive", I mean, the very idea of collecting data directly on the persons will feel _"[ad-hominem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#Terminology)"_ to most people. People generally don't like to be judged, but they obviously want to participate in shared interest groups. So, _"[ad-idem](https://www.merriam-webster.com/legal/ad idem)"_ (or on ideas) would probably be the better approach. Again, it also heavily depends on how you formulate those questions... Perhaps simply joining categories can help people find like-minded people a lot. // Stellaris I'll have to try this game to see what you mean. :)

Yes, of course, it could be sentence-by-sentence. What's attractive about this idea, is that it could be easy to make it hyper-scalable, due to simple model.

[Ruta], something like "Disqus.com" :)

So, thinking along these lines, I tried to abstract the things that we collect here at 0oo. Basically: 1. `Category`: _Function class_, e.g., Goal, Category, Question 2. `Method`: _Function prototype_, e.g., Idea, Invention, Transformation 3. `System`: _Function instance_, e.g., Plan, Project, Agent, Organization, Team, Person, Equipment, Tool, Resource, Instrument 4. `Task`: _Function call_, e.g., Task, Request, Order. 5. `Place`: _Function parameter_, e.g., Location, Address, Account. 6. `Result`: _Function response_, e.g., System Log, Event, Report, Executed task, Operation, Work result, Demo, Transfer, Transaction, Log, Blog post, Press release, Product, Service deployed. It seems, that this corresponds well to the established concepts in CS: <pre> 1. TYPES 2. OPERATORS (i.e., functions) 3. PROCESSES 4. OPERATIONS 5. OPERANDS (i.e., parameters) 6. VALUES </pre>

A few years back, the way to realize this idea might have been to build something from scratch, but considering that there's [Dual Universe](https://www.dualuniverse.game) and [Google AdWords](https://ads.google.com/home/), and [Brilliant.org](https://brilliant.org) as problems source, and the [Khan Academy](https://www.khanacademy.org) as an educational material source, currently, it makes much sense to go M&A approach, and discuss a possible cooperation with all these sides, tasking Google AdWords with [AdLocks](https://0oo.li/method/1002/adlock#1609323527) as extension of AdWords, the [Dual Universe](https://www.dualuniverse.game) with the experience side. An ideological gameplay leader or consultant could be [David Münnich](http://david-m.org), creator of Notpron and [Supraland](https://store.steampowered.com/app/813630/Supraland). I think [Gleb Skibitsky](https://skibitsky.com) (thoughts on 3D internet for education), and creators of [Firestorm viewer](https://www.firestormviewer.org) for SecondLife may be great consultants as well. On the other hand, protocol-level implementation for decentralized marketplace of the problem placements, is also on the table. For certain types of problems it may even be easier to verify solutions. Additionally, UpWork could be the source of tasks from industry in such a maze. Just imagining how much people's attention this could capture and direct towards meaningful problem solving and education is mind-bloggling. I think I should talk with people, and maybe we can someone passionate working on this.

Thanks [transiency], happy new year as well. I think the one way to start is to use [GeoCaching](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocaching) with students, where geocaching unlocks further locations of the world. Our world has got quite a lot of space already. Think of homework problems that lead to new locations. ;)

Actually, through time and reflections on [Network of Functions](https://0oo.li/method/222/network-of-functions#1609110401) and [World Mapping Assistant](https://0oo.li/method/1022/), I had come up with a higher level categorization system that is more compact and usable. It revolves around the concept of Systems, and involves only 5 classes of concepts: `100: Resource`, `200: Category`, `300: System`, `400: Method`, and `500: Operation`. The details are on [V2](https://github.com/wefindx/nrv/blob/master/nrv/v2.py) ("Network Resource Vocabulary"). I currently use it to organize all crawled data. It follows a similar pattern how we categorize the HTTP responses with [HTTP Status Codes](https://www.restapitutorial.com/httpstatuscodes.html). Perhaps these supercategories here could be used to extend that network resource vocabulary. I wonder, is there something similar already done by others, and what approaches had they come up with.

// more realistic virtual reality? Not really. This is not about virtual reality -- it's about creating mass-less interactive objects of the actual reality. One is not limited to 2D screens of course, this could be a 3D, hologram-like objects with surfaces that, at quantum level interact like real. That is, if you shine a laser onto such surface that emulates a mirror, it would (unlike a hologram) actually reflect the laser like a mirror would.

So, yes, this makes a lot of sense, and yes, I also thought of this, actually, before 2005, when I came to Japan and saw that there, TV of national television was casually broadcasting school math lectures for middle school. It's a pity that most Western broadcasters focus on news, movies and advertisement, rather than educational use.

What about [GNU-Radio](https://www.gnuradio.org), [gqrx-sdr](https://gqrx.dk) and [gqrx-scanner](https://github.com/neural75/gqrx-scanner) ? Related thoughts on friend-seeking using radio waves: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/5641096

Umm, yeah. If you add the capability to send signals in arbitrary protocol, such assistant could be extended to a "universal peer" (i.e., you don't need Ethereum peer, because you are the universal peer, and free to decide which protocol-defined peer-group to collaborate with). The Internet is already decentralized, it's just that the peer size distribution is skewed (tend to follow [power law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_law)), just like wealth distribution, with very few very big nodes with lots of resources, and most nodes with little resources.

// Social experiment asking strangers deep questions That reminds me the "[Big Talk](https://youtu.be/deScHJGoVc8)", rather than small talk. :) A bit of security bubbles?

// Maybe you need to adjust the inner ear semicircular canals first? Well, just use [X-BOW ship design](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_bow#Ulstein_X-Bow) ([video](https://bit.ly/39beB5t)). It helps with rough seas. Then, weather forecast to navigate around stormy weather. Modern ships tend to have multiple sets of [ship stabilizers](https://bit.ly/3s8mOjA), so that it's generally not an issue. For the case of rough seas, there's always [anti-motion sickness glasses](https://wired.jp/2014/04/05/seasickness-glasses/). ;) So, I think this generally is not an issue. What may be an issue, is the amount of steel needed, compared to traditional buildings, and the overall cost performance and overall cost-benefit analysis from the perspective of the passengers. For example, it may be useful for people who want to live with friends of diverse nationalities without worrying about visa requirements, but some may worry about the availability of services comparable to those found on land: some may care about the health security, others may worry about the entertainment options. Such ship has to compete with a developed city district, which adds to the cost, and means that the ship needs to be really big to achieve the economies of scale for certain more expensive equipment that city districts enjoy. Perhaps multiple ships could join to form something like the fictional "[Atlantis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis)", helping realize the dream of "[Oceania](https://oceania.org)".

Heh, that is so related to the idea of [consumer price breakdown requirement](https://0oo.li/method/722/consumer-price-breakdown-requirement). It may be unfair that someone with a machine who can produce millions of items of same quality goes to the same market to compete with handmade items, and people buying them without knowing the human-time estimate. If this human-time estimate were to be included into labels, like an ingredient (ingredients are often legally required to be included), then people would start realizing and adjusting certain social inequalities, like product pricing.

[marked-as-question] This obviously doesn't suggest a solution, so not an idea. I'll have to make a function to convert types: ideas into for questions, ideas into proejcts, etc.

Related suggestions by [Sal Khan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sal_Khan) (see [link](https://0oo.li/method/991/?l=lt#l-53)), but will the universities and schools of the world listen?

Like, you come to a school, and tell what you want to do, then we vote on what to do, then we group by interest, then we work on it?

Heh, well, it does, in the sense that we [measure](/rate/) value in "human hours", targeting for "time-well spent" as our community's KPI ([here](/rate/#info)). However, trade happens not between "meters", but between actual objects and "ropes", in that sense, the "meter" is a bit of a neutral thing, so we don't do exchange on 0oo in "unit of measure" we do it in real currencies, but we express and display it in "h" (the meter" of all currencies. So, I'd say, you could say both "yes and no".

Heh, the "projects" side of 0oo is actually aiming to be like one, though, getting bags of money is currently still an issue. However, given that we start sharing publicly about work progresses, and do some interesting projects in a public way, may be a reason for curious investors to flock. So, there is a pattern that's common among startups -- "sprints" and "iterations" rather than "solving issue tickets" (that's more common in established businesses). The sprints and iterations thingie needs periodic challenges, and results in between, so the potential investors can feel the rhythm (we can compute its characteristics for display as well). On the other hand, the ideas side should probably be more like a patent office. Thinking to myself -- why not to partner with various patent offices globally, and discuss, how we could help the open innovators gain rights in future revenues, could easily discuss technical integrations. However, in general, the idea of "Business Incubator" isn't new, so you should give it at least a more unique summary. ;)

I like this idea, though there are other ways -- we could ask shipbuilders to build us a [seascraper](https://0oo.li/method/956/seascrapers), and regarding lands, we should try to eventually onboard land providers with their land offers on 0oo.li/products, and then use the market feature to buy it from them for [results coownership](https://0oo.li/project/235/?l=en#t-87).

[This](https://0oo.li/intent/951/?l=en#r-244) train of thought says that the game of "Super Mario" is no different from the game of "Tetris", and no different from human body, and no different from a ball going through a doughnut -- all of them are about shapes going through a hole with obstacles or limitations: - Super Mario has a shape (the Mario) that goes through valleys and tunnels, until it goes through ("Game Won"). - Tetris has got many "Marios" that fall ever faster, until they clog the hole ("Game Over") - Human body -- kind of like both, but much more complex maze to go through, from matter ingestion to excretion. Sure, some holes have loop-backs and all kind of complexities within, making the games more fun, worth playing...

// I wonder, if there are some ways to explore this idea together. My MUTANTU comics could link with your game! (Cross-disciplinary partnerships reveal the unexpected links!) // While not my major project, not a project yet at all, but it's something that makes a lot of sense to me. // Intestines, Heart, Brain // Body has so many sub-systems, that it would make sense involving medical experts, and consider using [biodigital.com](https://www.biodigital.com) API (yes, the human body navigator has got an "API"). Using its data, creating a 3D game would be much easier, just come up with plots and create. I've contacted people making the BioDigital, they are obviously interested in the uses of their data.

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// OPERAND and VALUE, i.e., the 5th and 6th merge into one // Doing that would mean not distinguishing between a "variable" (a place for value) and the "value" (thing itself). So, perhaps it makes sense to stay separate.

// Balancing Lower-Level System for Cascading Effects in Higher Levels // Do you mean -- "Bottom-Up" world view -- "To achieve well-being in the higher levels of organization, first balance the lower level of organization?" I guess this idea has been part of Confucian philosophy: i.e., start from yourself, then "the family, the school, the local community, the state, and the kingdom". I see that you are trying to combining this "bottom-up" world view with the "Living Systems Principles", assuming that they universally make living systems "happy" or harmonious at arbitrary level of organization. So, what are the rest of the principles of "Living Systems" that you had left with the "..." mark, as it seems to be the core of specifics and novelty of this idea (as the "bottom-up" as principle itself is well-known). Finally, assuming that bacteria are the level of organization that one cares about, how would one apply the principles of "Autopoiesis" and "Synergy" and "Fractals" to make that level be "well" (that would result in the improvement in the levels above)? Could this idea be summarized as -- **"Take the principles of Living Systems, and apply them at the base level of life, and by induction, get the condition of macroscopic and higher order life improve?"** Btw., when thinking of well-being of things like bacteria, don't think of them as some kind of benevolent agents, they are varied as personalities, there are species like the necrotizing fasciitis ("piranha bacteria"), that one would not to get near our systems, or, for example mosquitos. We may think we want to be good for everything, but things have to be in the right places at the right times for systems to achieve harmony.

So, how would it work? Like groupon, but .... "transferon"? Is it more for coworkers, or for friends? Say, I subscribe to this relocation service, tell about my work and home location, and select a few "dream locations to live" (call it a "base"), and invite my friends do it too, then, do we see options to move, or some kind of long term plan sketches for everyone?

// You describe that you like cafes. Ok, that's getting more involved, and considering the data privacy problems to do it while preserving everyone's rights is not a trivial market and AI recommendation task, but obviously, can be done with simple questionnaires, with some homomorphic encryption.

How does I/O become: <Types, Functions, Processes, Operations, Variables and Values?> 10100111011010101010101101101100101011 That all makes me wonder, how does a simple Turing Machine become these 6 things, that we are so common with. Obviously: - **Values**: it's the **Turing Tape** data, or states. - **Types**: just common patterns on the **Turing Tape**. - **Variables**: places on **Turing Tape**. - **Operations**: it's what happens when the **Clock** ticks with read-write places. - **Processes**: it's the physical **Clocks** that make operations happen - the Turing Machine's motors and read/write head. - **Functions**: it's 'function' **type** of **variables** that store values as possible **operations** to execute. It's not hard to see how everything what computer does, clearly breaks down to these things. I would be interested in learning how computer is built entirely out of NAND gates, or how brain is built entirely out of asynchronous neurons, and what insights can we get from the understanding of how these low-level things becomes these 6 concepts, cause I do see these same [concepts](https://0oo.li/method/923/supercategories-for-public-intelligence-standardization) running societies. Perhaps understanding how information processes become these 6 things, would be help to come up with something (like a form of organization) that's fundamentally new. There are more abstract things, like the [equation model](https://0oo.li/method/936/operation-search-equations), and even more abstract thing like [polycontext metasymbol](https://0oo.li/method/863/metaformat). Is there something like universal additivity, and how can it converge towards the universal good? It's interesting to observe, that `Categories` and `Types` are `Questions`, `Quests` and `Queries`... coincide with `Goals`, `Intents`, `Problems`, `Domains`, `Interests`. It means that [Queries are Categories](https://twitter.com/mindeyi/status/1373851121261940737): every search query is a category.

Like in scientific papers, where claims have references leading to a table of references, and then links to them?

// I propose a marketplace of needs with monetary amounts shared. // Are you assuming that same needs got to be valued at same price? A glass of water in a desert may be worth a lump of gold for a person who is dying out of starvation. // Making money is a fiercely guarded secret right now. It doesn't have to be. It could be openly shared to benefit society with competition. The crazy thing about money, is that it's a medium of economic communication, and making money is essentially, aligning interests and mutual expectations... How does this idea solve the fact that not everyone is equally socially connected?

[Yahoo SM](https://www.searchenginejournal.com/yahoo-search-marketing-panama-adds-tools-for-advertisers/5237/) (competitor of Google AdWords) [was](https://www.redcarpetweb.com/blog/yahoo-sm-vs-google-adwords) once a transparent market with "allows you to see who you are bidding against and what they are bidding, so you know exactly where you will rank, and how much you will pay". :) So, what you're proposing, is some kind of open database or aggregation of market orders, right? It definitely relates to your idea of [Wantsfiles](https://0oo.li/method/973/wantsfile-at-root-of-domain#1598381029) and [Wants Manifestos](https://0oo.li/method/974/make-generic-manifestos-of-what-all-people-want#1599114639). A problem with that is people's privacy: people don't always want their orders be visible due to multiple reasons: - competitors will see who they are buying from - ideologically different will despise each others (while they are friendly to each other not knowing) So, how do you resolve that? Should people have one big open market, where they know that what they share there is public, and then they can have encrypted orders optionally, or how else would you propose? Think about it -- in fact, every search query is a market order, and I think, ["Categories" are "Queries"](https://twitter.com/mindeyi/status/1373851121261940737) :) Obviously, Google has been getting lots of queries, and if every "Query" is a category, it has been hierarchically grouping them to fill these search orders (market demand) with link excerpts (market supply). Thinking that way, we can see that every request-response (or client-server) system can be viewed as order-filling apparatus. Since the cost of fulfilling an order is usually computational-time, and human-time, and machining-time, you could measure the cost of said orders as such. For example: - ask a friend to a party -> (human-only) - make a cup with ready dumb coffee machine -> (machine-only) - buy bitcoin -> (computational-only) - buy a product on Amazon -> (computational, human, machine) It is easy to imagine that, given such open knowledge about world's orders, it would be possible to figure out where to make money, but it is also important to make a distinction between "compute-money" and "human-money" and "machine-money", because human brain (with current BCI capabilities) will never mine the amount of bitcoin that a machine can, and a computer (with current I/O capabilities) will never go for a walk with a friend with intentions to go doing something together, as humans can. It may be surprising, but most fiat money (call it "human-defined money"), can be made by simply making meaningful friendships, and while Facebook may be trying to fill those orders (with everyone's interaction behavior histories as standing demand orders, and daily feeds trying to fill those orders as supply orders), the most money-making orders is being made within the BS (banking sector, where the fiat money originates) and B2B supply-demand marketplaces. Imagine if banking sector would have a social network from data like on [BoardEx](https://www.boardex.com) (and from [other financio-political databases](https://wrds-www.wharton.upenn.edu/pages/about/data-vendors/)), and political needs (or "demand orders") of leaders to have certain securities (say "policies") were on the market. I think that would be one of those places with greatest bids, and opportunities in making fiat money. However, indeed, while information about policies is quite open, the downstream orders with specific work demands are less so, because they are often on various B2B marketplaces with less transparency.

This idea is a bit modified. The original idea was to freeze by pressure alone, because water freezes at +36.5'C under pressure of approx. 1GPa, directly into Ice VI, but this idea was criticized, because the body undergoing such pressure would heat up, and that may cause unwanted chemical changes in the body, even if water stays solid at much higher temperatures with even higher pressures.

It is interesting to consider, that pretty much any application is just an arrangement of related objects of types with modification rules. One could imagine having something like "Application-Independent-Related Objects" (AIRO), that in combination behaves like an application, but are not an application, but rather are free objects with their independent identities and locations in address spaces.

// 疑问：狗是通过什么感受器来判断的？ // Right, so, what human features are dogs sensitive to, and how to extract those features? Now, you're talking of how AI could replace dogs...

The complexity of Multi-Master replication does not stop at looking up what's been new in other replica sites. We could make the data that was created on one node only editable via interacting with that node, but all created by every node replicated to all other nodes.

Graveyard of startups? Check: [startupgraveyard.io](https://startupgraveyard.io) seem to exist already.

// and working on such an idea for more than 5 years now Really? Yeah, let's connect. Any times on [mindey.com/meet](https://mindey.com/meet) work for you?

[chronological], I agree, we need like a pallete of widgets, or a library, and these widgets must be available globally, so it could be like a browser plugin that brings those widgets into existence, and, I suppose accessible via something like right-clicking of mouse in a new empty browser tab to drop a new widget from a library like [https://vueuikit.com](https://vueuikit.com). In fact, dead widget snapping is already realized within app prototyping tools for designers, like proto.io, uxpin.com, etc. However, those are not live widgets, and not for end users: - too granular (end users generally won't have time to build a menu from scratch, or a chat window from scratch, etc.) - not protocol-defining (a complex widget usually defines a composite data type or even interaction protocol itself, for example, a glTF widget like [this](https://modelviewer.dev) defines the data type that can be provided to it for it to work properly. Similarly, a chat widget may have its own input validator, and an output validator. However, those big and complex widgets like chat window, repeats across apps -- telegram, whatsapp, line, whatsapp, etc. -- all have very similar chat windows, and creating a protocol-defining chat window widget, the developers would think about all possible needs of chat apps to display things, so that the non-programmer user who drags and drops this widget can have lots of compatible data sources without having to program anything.

// Visual Basic [...] It was for programmers, not for end users. What this idea is about, is a tool for end users, obsoleting app UIs, so in the future apps don't need their own UIs.

Like an opportunity engine, so we can filter those opportunities (advices), right? However, usually, opportunity engines are not free. For example, silos charge for matches. Ideally, we could just add ratings and look up for matches, occasionally with anonymized identities (when surprise is the expected product). Umm, however, how would this really work? This idea doesn't have substance, it's more like a wishful thinking, which I agree with, but it more belongs to the Questions then.

I'm thinking, now that we have [0oo.li/blog](https://0oo.li/blog/) for news as community blog, we could try to produce interesting and more abstract content just by stripping existing news from their proper nouns...

Actually, this would not require the problems be in-game, it is enough that click-through is hard, and those, who are able to get thought, get rewarded (think: "click-through prizes"), essentially, just a new type of conversion, but potentially with a requirement for specialized widgets to assist the entry of complex answers, and a verification end.

// When it rains, water soaks into my skin and emerges into rivers that travel through my body The amount of rainwater that soaks into people's skin extremely extremely small. Is this some kind of poetic picture? So, suppose one creates such a piece of art, -- what social effect it would achieve? I remember the idea of [Light-Year Cube](https://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Light_20Year_20Cube), the purpose of which (being a huge 211.5 meter height building) were to be to allow one to experience that number of meters that make up one light year. The idea was to make a building with that number of cubic millimetres, -- the solution -- both the building and the millimetre are macroscopic, visible at a glance of a human eye, which solves the problem of imagining or visualizing. Pragmatic added effect was it would attract travellers, so it could even probably pay for itself. If this art is aiming for similar perceptual advances, then what thing within the concept of "interdependence" would this art aim to make experience-able (that is not experience-able otherwise). What is the rationale, that would allow here to make one experience what usually is not easily experienced?

// a unifing point that water makes up our body and water makes up the planet Earth; a point that water is always in motion, throughout our body and throughout the planet; a point that water is intelligence without which life wouldn't exist. [Ruta], I see. And so, how would these points be made perceivable? Would this piece of art be a statue, a collage, a video (like Jason Silva's), or something else? How would this art work?

// to me personally this idea came when I had a food poisoning and was pushed to change the water I drink Oh dear, I see. Happy you got away with just water ;) In fact, water, being a good solvent, clears pathways, including metabolic pathways, so, one of the conclusions from [https://0oo.li/method/948/shapeflow](https://0oo.li/method/948/shapeflow) idea, would be to use a liquid to unclog and clear pathways for shapes to flow. // interactive experience where spectators have to taste different water And so, how would the different water taste differently? I don't feel much difference between different brands of bottled water, there definitely are some mineral water brands with higher concentrations of salts, but that's the taste of those salts then, not the water per se. What kind of differences had you yourself noticed, and think that others should too (say, via such art), about the quality of different water? My question may be a bit inquisitive, because I'm trying to get at the crux of your idea: what course of action do you propose, and how it would work to achieve that impact? (What's the essence of the idea that would make the butterfly effects happen? Why would the butterfly effects happen, given such art is made?)

Well, companies, big or small, are [tools](https://0oo.li/method/1024/non-national-company-nnc) of governments, if registered with them. Usually, large and prosperous companies become such because of trust in management, and represent not a single product, but a number of products and teams being managed, so, they are more like portfolios rather than companies per se. Now, suppose you want to create a competitor company. That means creating a competing portfolio management. So, who should we write the check to -- another competing portfolio manager (as that's the level at which they would be financially competing), or you just mean product-wise competition? If product-wise competition, then funding startups already creates pressure to establishment, but that is not generally a financial competition to the establishment, as they are buying up startups, make them part of their management portfolios.

// how else to use this space, if not for adding puzzles into same space until an idea evolves from a thought bubble into something more concrete? // Well, if it's a puzzle, it should belong to questions ('ll try to add an ability to add projects directly under questions) :) And, as you said, "Water as intelligence" is a theme, so, a category, so a question, or rather, an attempt to ask _"how should I continue my exploration with this concept that I don't yet quite fleshed out?"_ (ideas better be fleshed out before posting, so that it's not a question "how would this work?" but an answer "this is how it would work, and here are the details"). I guess I'll need to make it easier to transition the type (i.e., convert content between question/idea/project)... // perhaps then idea has even children, yay! and projects, yay yay! and various creators in their projects then can answer the details // Yeah, they could be. :) Looking forward to projects under this theme. ^__^

I think I haven't mentioned, but one of the reasons why I believe such a small space would be sufficient, is because it would work a bit like a [bicycle](https://youtu.be/b_L4QMOvH2o?t=25) with [omni-directional treadmill](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnidirectional_treadmill) inside, so people who like to walk around their home, would have that ability.

So, is it like a factory floor open for direct public engagement, so people can come do some work, unqualified, just by visiting it...? Would one get special coins or tickets for work, that one could spend on the coffee shop and supermarket? Or, is it something different? How would this actually work with varying number of people coming to visit it, and varying work skills? Would these be web-based, or local physical works? How would such place be managed to function properly?

// Yes! These jobs don't require much training. Making a coffee for someone is easy. Stacking shelves is easy but hard work. I see where this is going. Like opening a base? I know [what](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cQgQIMlwWw) we'll need bases for, there's a fleet of [HiveCells](https://0oo.li/project/236/the-hivecell-project) that'll arrive for work and a picknick.

Umm, is this an idea? How this would work? It looks like a question to me. Yeah, and sorry, I'll have to make a feature to easily transform ideas into interests, and the ability for authors to delete the items that have comments, orphaning them. At this point, I guess, you could just create a child interest with parent "Capitalism".

// spiral structure inside // I see! So, I suppose, the bacteria would be the [Spirulina](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirulina_(genus)) (though, it's abundant)? What would those "protected areas of Earth" be?

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